"If they're so against all of this socialization, they should give up their social security and medicare"
OMG! DEAL! Just give me back what I have paid in, Don't take anymore out, and let me invest it myself and you'll NEVER hear from me again.
Cathy Latorre - 14 years ago
I don't believe that people should be forced to buy healthcare. However, I do believe that we need healthcare reform with regards to pre-existing conditions, caps, and for the ability for those self-employed individuals to buy insurance the same way that a corporation can. My husband and I have always worked and do quite well but we have been plagued by the inability to buy health insurance on our own because of pre-existing conditions. However, when I worked for a corporation for 13 years, I was immediately eligible for the same type of healthcare I wanted to buy on my own. It isn't right that we are excluded from purchasing healthcare because we no longer work for a corporation. We don't want it for free but just want the same rights as anyone who works for a corporation!!!
Tony - 14 years ago
Nancy said---...their poor red-state asses will be enjoying the fruits of the dem's labor just as soon as they can sign on, the hypocrites. If they're so against all of this socialization, they should give up their social security and medicare, stop taking the bulk of the welfare (red states have more welfare recipients than blue states, no coincidence that!)...
There will be no fruit as we will not be able to afford the tree. How can you say the dem's provided any labor? If it were not for the greatest showing of the worst our political process has to offer, this march to Trotskyism as an abomination to the thousands of Americans who have given their lives to keep this exact form of tyranny from happening in other countries. I gladly did give up my Social Security and Medicare since I planned my life for me to take care of myself and my family, not the government. I taught my children to rely on themselves, save their money and plan as if the government will not be there to care for them. I did tell them that they would still have to pay for the programs they will never use because the Nancy's of the country are too busy worrying about what they can get instead of what they can give. I will have a legacy of independence, Nancy's will be of bitterness because I have more than her.
Oh, yes Nancy...of welfare recipients...15 of the top 25 states by population and 16 of the top 25 per capita...Bleu states
I had to vote no on this one. Judging from the disaster of their focus on health care, and the drag on the economy each time they mention jobs or regulations, I don't want them anywhere near it.
Leslie - 14 years ago
Jobs and health care are not two separate issues. Reforming health care is as important to the business community as it is to the individual
Dotty - 14 years ago
This bill is not reform, it is redistribution of the wealth to those minority groups that put Obama in the White House. Now those that have never done a days work in their life, or have spent most of their adult life in prison or have born several children without the ability to support them will get a share of the hard worker's money to enable them to have the same 'dignified' health insurance the worker has. Building clinics and affording them care was one thing, but 'rewarding' them with something they have not earned and don't deserve is another. We are sure on the slippery road to socialism and probably like the USSR on our way down the road to failure. Reform 'yes' Obama care 'NO".
AmericanDream - 14 years ago
I suppose, if this passes, you could look at it this way: You won't need to give to charities that ask for money to help those that do not have the resources to help themselves (sometimes and most often due to their own irresponsibility). They will have health care now, food stamps and WIC, low income housing, free job training (should the the impossible occur), they don't have to pay taxes (real estate or personal property), and the list goes on and on. I suppose one of the things we could DEMAND, since we will be paying for it, that anyone who wants an abortion will have to agree to sterlization AND to cease and desist in so many other irresponsible behaviors!
jojo - 14 years ago
the HC bill is not a partisan issue and it is NOT about health care....it is a Bi-Parti$an money grab.
Why? Because the country is broke.
Our elites, the Congressional clowns and the CorpoRAT ba$#@rds that control them get to force people onto insurance roles, collect their premiums for FOUR YEARS, and so keep this leaky $hip of state afloat a while longer.
The government produces nothing. They can tax money, borrow it, or steal it. Our "leaders" are simply looking for other large pots of money to waste and pass around to their masters in Big Business.
fustian - 14 years ago
There is a huge assumption here that having the government working on the economy would be a good thing. Because there's only one thing the government can really do to help the economy...shrink. But the clowns we have in there now will never see it that way.
It's so obvious a solution that even a college professor should be able to understand it.
But, apparently, not if they're a lefty.
Socialism is the crack cocaine of political discourse. It pretty much ruins everything it touches. And the lefties never learn. Russia, Cuba, North Korea, the examples of failed Marxist dreams goes on and on. Europe appears to be unsustainable, even with the gigantic military bonus they got when we decided to take over the responsibility for their defense.
The reason medical care is so expensive in this country is that government distorted the market in the first place. They give big tax breaks for corporate health care offerings. So I have one of those Cadillac health care plans. Which means that it doesn't matter to me how much my health care costs since almost none of the bills come to me.
Imagine if I had insurance for catastrophic care and a medical savings account for my day to day medical needs. Now I become an active force for holding down medical costs. Do I really need that MRI? Which hospital does it for the least cost? Is the quality still there?
Those choices by all of us set prices fairly.
The problem with socialist command and control is that nobody is smart enough to set prices correctly. And when you get the prices wrong you create enormous inefficiencies. If the price is too low, you get shortages because everyone stocks up on cheap stuff, but no one can afford to supply it. Set the price too high and you get surpluses since nobody buys.
Pretty simple stuff really.
There's this really amusing fiction that somehow this bill is an attack on the insurance industry. Well how come their stocks are all going up? Over the last three months, insurance stocks are up 14%.
If you're a lefty rube that ought to give you pause.
And Nancy, I would happily give up my Medicare and my social security if you'll just stop taxing me. Oh, and hand me a nice check from the government for all the cash they've stolen from me to date.
I won't even ask for interest on the money.
Kir - 14 years ago
Actually a large group do want to at least alter or get rid of social security and medicare since first off, they're both going bankrupt. The problem is, they've already been forced to pay in all their life. Of course to see that one first has to realize that it's not free "obama money" that the money comes from somewhere. I can speak from personal experience, taxes, social security, and the way the system is already set up as absolutely destroyed our financial situation, not helped. Does the government care in any way? No. And they won't care if you get sick either. I've dealt with the IRS, and if they're the ones that are going to be dealing with you when this bill passes, then you're going to be in for a shock.
Nancy - 14 years ago
I love how uncomfortable the Jerry Springer right-wing orchestra has been, culminating in spitting and calling names at the capital bldg yesterday, also love how incensed they're going to be be when the vote passes today, but will not enjoy it when they realize the world isn't going to stop, and that their poor red-state asses will be enjoying the fruits of the dem's labor just as soon as they can sign on, the hypocrites. If they're so against all of this socialization, they should give up their social security and medicare, stop taking the bulk of the welfare (red states have more welfare recipients than blue states, no coincidence that!), and for god sake, STOP hijacking Jesus, patriotism, liberty, freedom, the flag, as if your deluded minds actually believe you own this country. :) Have a great , historic day! I will! Lincoln would have been ashamed of you all, as is Jesus...
Lloyd Revalee - 14 years ago
The main purpose of the "Health Bill" is to move power from our Congress to the White House. Obama's aim has always been to make a socialisst (communist) country out of the United States. He has told us so many, many, times and no one seems to be listening. Do these statements sound familiar? "I will not tuen my back on Reverend White or my Muslim friends." Written in his book "Audacity of Hope" If a conflict should arise, I willhave to side with muslim friends."
Kimmerroon - 14 years ago
Oh gimme a break. How much clearer can it be that health care is DIRECTLY related to jobs and the economy. Stop believing in mindless talking points and THINK about the issue!!
dbear - 14 years ago
I wish neither. If they had worked on jobs & economy (or when they do) they would have just screwed that up like they have done with healthcare. What I wish is that they had spent the time reducing the size and scope and burden of government.
JC - 14 years ago
The government spent approx. $46.00 per person for the census. Who know how much for the healt care bill? 850 billion on wall street and their friendly banks?
Just give all Americans over 50 1 million dollars and force them to retirer, buy a home, and go on vacation, one individual said. Damn I like that idea! His reasoning, it will create jobs for the young, generate millions and billions in revenue, solve SSN, and make the world happier. Except for anyone under 50. But look at it this way, they will have their turn
Betty Vander Vos - 14 years ago
What a waste of our taxpayer dollars, arguing something the majority don't want for almost 2 years. To add injury to insult, Congressmen and women ignore their constituents and CONTINUE to add PORK to the healthcare bill. Gov't run Medicare and Medicaid are not working...why would we want to expand a program that isn't working already?
"If they're so against all of this socialization, they should give up their social security and medicare"
OMG! DEAL! Just give me back what I have paid in, Don't take anymore out, and let me invest it myself and you'll NEVER hear from me again.
I don't believe that people should be forced to buy healthcare. However, I do believe that we need healthcare reform with regards to pre-existing conditions, caps, and for the ability for those self-employed individuals to buy insurance the same way that a corporation can. My husband and I have always worked and do quite well but we have been plagued by the inability to buy health insurance on our own because of pre-existing conditions. However, when I worked for a corporation for 13 years, I was immediately eligible for the same type of healthcare I wanted to buy on my own. It isn't right that we are excluded from purchasing healthcare because we no longer work for a corporation. We don't want it for free but just want the same rights as anyone who works for a corporation!!!
Nancy said---...their poor red-state asses will be enjoying the fruits of the dem's labor just as soon as they can sign on, the hypocrites. If they're so against all of this socialization, they should give up their social security and medicare, stop taking the bulk of the welfare (red states have more welfare recipients than blue states, no coincidence that!)...
There will be no fruit as we will not be able to afford the tree. How can you say the dem's provided any labor? If it were not for the greatest showing of the worst our political process has to offer, this march to Trotskyism as an abomination to the thousands of Americans who have given their lives to keep this exact form of tyranny from happening in other countries. I gladly did give up my Social Security and Medicare since I planned my life for me to take care of myself and my family, not the government. I taught my children to rely on themselves, save their money and plan as if the government will not be there to care for them. I did tell them that they would still have to pay for the programs they will never use because the Nancy's of the country are too busy worrying about what they can get instead of what they can give. I will have a legacy of independence, Nancy's will be of bitterness because I have more than her.
Oh, yes Nancy...of welfare recipients...15 of the top 25 states by population and 16 of the top 25 per capita...Bleu states
I had to vote no on this one. Judging from the disaster of their focus on health care, and the drag on the economy each time they mention jobs or regulations, I don't want them anywhere near it.
Jobs and health care are not two separate issues. Reforming health care is as important to the business community as it is to the individual
This bill is not reform, it is redistribution of the wealth to those minority groups that put Obama in the White House. Now those that have never done a days work in their life, or have spent most of their adult life in prison or have born several children without the ability to support them will get a share of the hard worker's money to enable them to have the same 'dignified' health insurance the worker has. Building clinics and affording them care was one thing, but 'rewarding' them with something they have not earned and don't deserve is another. We are sure on the slippery road to socialism and probably like the USSR on our way down the road to failure. Reform 'yes' Obama care 'NO".
I suppose, if this passes, you could look at it this way: You won't need to give to charities that ask for money to help those that do not have the resources to help themselves (sometimes and most often due to their own irresponsibility). They will have health care now, food stamps and WIC, low income housing, free job training (should the the impossible occur), they don't have to pay taxes (real estate or personal property), and the list goes on and on. I suppose one of the things we could DEMAND, since we will be paying for it, that anyone who wants an abortion will have to agree to sterlization AND to cease and desist in so many other irresponsible behaviors!
the HC bill is not a partisan issue and it is NOT about health care....it is a Bi-Parti$an money grab.
Why? Because the country is broke.
Our elites, the Congressional clowns and the CorpoRAT ba$#@rds that control them get to force people onto insurance roles, collect their premiums for FOUR YEARS, and so keep this leaky $hip of state afloat a while longer.
The government produces nothing. They can tax money, borrow it, or steal it. Our "leaders" are simply looking for other large pots of money to waste and pass around to their masters in Big Business.
There is a huge assumption here that having the government working on the economy would be a good thing. Because there's only one thing the government can really do to help the economy...shrink. But the clowns we have in there now will never see it that way.
It's so obvious a solution that even a college professor should be able to understand it.
But, apparently, not if they're a lefty.
Socialism is the crack cocaine of political discourse. It pretty much ruins everything it touches. And the lefties never learn. Russia, Cuba, North Korea, the examples of failed Marxist dreams goes on and on. Europe appears to be unsustainable, even with the gigantic military bonus they got when we decided to take over the responsibility for their defense.
The reason medical care is so expensive in this country is that government distorted the market in the first place. They give big tax breaks for corporate health care offerings. So I have one of those Cadillac health care plans. Which means that it doesn't matter to me how much my health care costs since almost none of the bills come to me.
Imagine if I had insurance for catastrophic care and a medical savings account for my day to day medical needs. Now I become an active force for holding down medical costs. Do I really need that MRI? Which hospital does it for the least cost? Is the quality still there?
Those choices by all of us set prices fairly.
The problem with socialist command and control is that nobody is smart enough to set prices correctly. And when you get the prices wrong you create enormous inefficiencies. If the price is too low, you get shortages because everyone stocks up on cheap stuff, but no one can afford to supply it. Set the price too high and you get surpluses since nobody buys.
Pretty simple stuff really.
There's this really amusing fiction that somehow this bill is an attack on the insurance industry. Well how come their stocks are all going up? Over the last three months, insurance stocks are up 14%.
If you're a lefty rube that ought to give you pause.
And Nancy, I would happily give up my Medicare and my social security if you'll just stop taxing me. Oh, and hand me a nice check from the government for all the cash they've stolen from me to date.
I won't even ask for interest on the money.
Actually a large group do want to at least alter or get rid of social security and medicare since first off, they're both going bankrupt. The problem is, they've already been forced to pay in all their life. Of course to see that one first has to realize that it's not free "obama money" that the money comes from somewhere. I can speak from personal experience, taxes, social security, and the way the system is already set up as absolutely destroyed our financial situation, not helped. Does the government care in any way? No. And they won't care if you get sick either. I've dealt with the IRS, and if they're the ones that are going to be dealing with you when this bill passes, then you're going to be in for a shock.
I love how uncomfortable the Jerry Springer right-wing orchestra has been, culminating in spitting and calling names at the capital bldg yesterday, also love how incensed they're going to be be when the vote passes today, but will not enjoy it when they realize the world isn't going to stop, and that their poor red-state asses will be enjoying the fruits of the dem's labor just as soon as they can sign on, the hypocrites. If they're so against all of this socialization, they should give up their social security and medicare, stop taking the bulk of the welfare (red states have more welfare recipients than blue states, no coincidence that!), and for god sake, STOP hijacking Jesus, patriotism, liberty, freedom, the flag, as if your deluded minds actually believe you own this country. :) Have a great , historic day! I will! Lincoln would have been ashamed of you all, as is Jesus...
The main purpose of the "Health Bill" is to move power from our Congress to the White House. Obama's aim has always been to make a socialisst (communist) country out of the United States. He has told us so many, many, times and no one seems to be listening. Do these statements sound familiar? "I will not tuen my back on Reverend White or my Muslim friends." Written in his book "Audacity of Hope" If a conflict should arise, I willhave to side with muslim friends."
Oh gimme a break. How much clearer can it be that health care is DIRECTLY related to jobs and the economy. Stop believing in mindless talking points and THINK about the issue!!
I wish neither. If they had worked on jobs & economy (or when they do) they would have just screwed that up like they have done with healthcare. What I wish is that they had spent the time reducing the size and scope and burden of government.
The government spent approx. $46.00 per person for the census. Who know how much for the healt care bill? 850 billion on wall street and their friendly banks?
Just give all Americans over 50 1 million dollars and force them to retirer, buy a home, and go on vacation, one individual said. Damn I like that idea! His reasoning, it will create jobs for the young, generate millions and billions in revenue, solve SSN, and make the world happier. Except for anyone under 50. But look at it this way, they will have their turn
What a waste of our taxpayer dollars, arguing something the majority don't want for almost 2 years. To add injury to insult, Congressmen and women ignore their constituents and CONTINUE to add PORK to the healthcare bill. Gov't run Medicare and Medicaid are not working...why would we want to expand a program that isn't working already?