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Umesh Chandra Arvind Rai Vyas
2009-09-28 12:34:21 ET

When majority people of the society becomes liberal, openminded, dynemic, the society becomes healthy., its SATYUGA.

Jamie
2009-09-28 14:12:15 ET

see... I'm not gonna agree with Umesh. It's possible to be open minded and progressive, but conservative at the same time. I consider myself to be a conservative because I don't think open discussion of sex (in a romantic fashion) is appropriate, I do not (and will not) drink or do drugs, I am against abortion (I'll include my policy on that below so you can see my standpoint there), and I do not think pre-marital sex is acceptable. I also don't like most of modern women's fashion... TOO SHORT shorts, bikinis and what have you. It's too much of too little. And this is coming from a hormonal sixteen year old. I really believe I was born in the wrong century.

Anyway, my religion or upbringing have nothing to do with my views, for those wondering. My parents are both liberals, and religion takes a backseat to my personal morals. There are certain things that the pope has declared as sins that I refuse to acknowledge. Unless God said so, it's fine by me. I stick to the ten commandments.

Anyhoo, like I promised, my sixteen year old view on abortion: no. bad.

Abortion should not be leal, except in very few circumstances. Why? because all of the arguments for it are so CIRCUMSTANTIAL. what IF it was a rape, what IF they are married, what IF this happened, what IF that happened? there are too many ifs. one thing is always certain: there is a lost opportunity for life, and I don't care what science or the law says, that baby is alive from the moment it is conceived. cells are multiplying. it's growing. it's living. it deserves a chance. no matter how it got there, it s not the baby's fault.

Abortion should be illegal UNLESS:

A. the mother is a minor, in which case it is up to the parents of said minor AND the parents of said baby's father (unless said father is over 18, or unidentifiable at the testimony of the mother)

B. delivering the baby would be of considerable medical risk to the mother, in which case it is the decision of both the mother AND father of said baby, unless the mother is a minor, in which case protocol A applies.

it sucks if it was rape, it sucks if the woman is married, it REALLY sucks. I;m sorry. but it is not the baby's fault. the problem is, it's too easy to lie about rape. people lie about rape all the time. people have consensual sex, then go "oh, crap!" and they cry rape. not to say all rape is made up, most is not, but still. it's too difficult to verify. the only clause I would consider adding is in the case of a married couple, where the woman was legitimately raped and the baby does not belong to said woman's husband. in which case, the abortion would be the decision of both the woman, and her husband. this would, however, require genetic testing of the fetus which is costly, dangerous, and does not sit well with my conservative approach. I do not, however, have any wishes to tear apart the love of a married couple.

so, sorry for ranting off topic, but there's everything I have.

The view of an anonymous conservative teenager.

P.S. Umesh, you spelled dynamic wrong.

Jamie
2009-09-28 14:26:09 ET

sorry, I forgot to mention that I still consider myself a democrat, even though I am conservative. I'm all for the democratic approach. honestly, though, abortion alone would be enough to pull me Republican for a while... at least until it's made illegal. Overall, I'm a democrat, though.

and another thing on abortion... (jeeze, I just can't shut up today) it is ALWAYS the woman's AND the man's choice together. people say "well the man doesn't have to carry the baby for nine months" yes, but who has to take care of the sick, irritable, bulbous, random-midnight-snack-craving wife for nine months? and I don't care if there has to be a ridiculous law that the man has to carry a weight for nine months, it's a joint decision. people also say "well, the man can just walk out. the woman can't" well, there should be legal obligation for the father to monetarily support the child at the least, just as there is in a divorce situation.

Joe
2009-09-28 15:12:42 ET

With regard to what?

Joby Thompson
2009-09-28 17:17:17 ET

definition of a liberal- someone so open minded.. their brains have fallen out

Bob
2009-09-28 19:13:04 ET

"its SATYUGA" Whatever in the hell that means, maybe so but, dynemic there is dynamic here.

Whatever your culture is, and where it is from, keep it there. We have already had the Islamic folks explain their faith. A little of the middle eastern, Asia minor stuff is more than enough.

Ole Ghandi, now there was one hell of liberal for you. Just look at what a lasting effect he made.

cimartlim
2009-09-28 21:31:08 ET

Hey Jamie,
How can you complain about someone that misspelled dynamic when half of your sentences do not have capital letters at the beginning. Maybe you should get your writing corrected before you correct others.

You are entitled to your opinion on abortion but so are others. You do not believe in it. That is fine but your belief should not have any influence on others decisions. And you are a Democrate in name only. With the beliefs that you listed, you sound more like a Republican.

Umesh is right. I could not have said it better. When the majority of the people in any society becomes liberal, that society will become healthier. A conservative is not openminded enough to accept others that are different. A conservative does not want things to change, is happy with things the way they are. Being liberal means being more openminded and accepting of others different from yourself and having different opinions but accepting of the opposing opinions. It is too bad you cannot see that Jamie.

Jenna
2009-09-28 22:42:17 ET

I am Libertarian - I believe in a small (Ltd) govt. Govt is use of force, and govt getting into your bedroom and your wallet is wrong. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul is still stealing. Liberals think govt is the solution to everything and want to redistribute wealth according to their agenda. Conservatives believe the most efficient way to solve problems is the free market.

True conservatives, like libertarians, believe that the individual is sovereign, and not the state. The State (govt) does not dispense rights. And the constitution was created by men to limit those things govt can and cannot do. So when liberals call for higher taxes and redistribution of wealth - these are Marxist/Socialist/Communist ideals - not American and certainly not in step with our Constitution. Socialism is really the sin of Envy masquerading as a political movement. In reality, govt solutions always fail, always go bankrupt. Govt is the worst entity to run anything, much less healthcare, or even the post office. That's already bankrupt. Those in govt only seek power - they are NOT their to help you. And because liberals want govt to do everything, they tend to give less to charity, whereas every study has proven that conservatives and libertarians give far more to charity. In fact, we believe in VOLUNTARY charity, not FORCE by govt.

2009-09-29 01:07:40 ET

Jamie-
The clothing people wear is none of your business. That's everyones' personal choice.
I am so sick of abortion. That's just people butting into issues that aren't their business.
My idea of abortion:
If you're a guy, you have no business in this issue. It's about females. Stay out.
Guess what - at conception a baby is a bundle of cells. It's like killing a few bacteria. I love how the same people who protest about killing zygotes don't mind offing a few prisoners in the name of justice.

Tad
2009-09-29 02:07:56 ET

Jenna, you're spot-on. The Constitution is a document full of the LIMITS of power. Conservatism really has nothing to do with being happy with the way things are. Just the opposite: the stronger and larger and more centralized the government grows, the less happy the conservative is. Conservatives and libertarians today don't find it difficult to see the dark day when the federal government becomes, in effect, an oligarchy, and a totalitarian one at that. So what we are working to "conserve" is the individual right to life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness.

And please, cimartlim, get off the "liberals are open-minded" hogwash. Liberals are the ones shouting down debate (see Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi), accusing others of racism and sexism at the drop of a hat (see Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter) and promoting class warfare (see John Edwards).

Mikeikon
2009-09-29 03:10:26 ET

The terms liberal and conservative are much, much too vague to be meaningful. The modern interpretations of both terms are riddled with internal contradictions that render them intellectually bankrupt.

I consider myself classically liberal, or libertarian. That means I believe in individual rights and that force is only justified against force. I believe in free markets, peace, and personal freedom. It doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with or have to "celebrate" everything you do, but I have no right to stop you from doing it if it violates the rights of no one else.

This is one of the few intellectually consistent approaches to politics.

2009-09-29 16:41:09 ET

i think I'm in love with Jenna! : )

I agree wholeheartedly with her statements. The thing about being a Libertarian is that (as she put it) "the individual is sovereign" and as such should not have any bounds placed on what he or she can or can't do... so long as it doesn't infringe on the right of someone else to do the same.

Which is why many Libertarians are pro gay marriage, women's rights and other issues that are normally seen as something of a liberal agenda.

2009-09-29 19:33:18 ET

I more a liberal than a conservative, but i think I can agree with Jamie. I'm not completely opposed to abortion, but the circumstances are very important. The only time I would say that abortion is ok is:

1.)It is a minor, who cannot raise the baby, and the parents of that minor cannot afford to take care of it.

2.)If the woman was raped and it was not planned at all. In this case, the woman should be seen as a victim, not the baby. It isn't her fault, and it's not the baby's fault.

3.)If the birth would cause significant damage or death to the mother. In this case, it is important to preserve the life that already exists more than the life that might come to be.

sue
2009-10-05 15:42:46 ET

just to say i was raped when i was only 9 years old and no don't like being called a liar, thank you very much. it was my fault. ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sue
2009-10-05 15:45:21 ET

I mean it wasn't my fault.

2009-10-31 21:03:23 ET

I truly believe that most of you people have no idea the true definition of being Conservative or being Liberal..



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