Any poll on Fox is a joke. Robots walking in lockstep. Repubs piling on with glee, fortified by hate and divisiveness. No respect for the Presidency. I hope the terrorists aren't watching, I'm sure they feel it would be much easier to attack a divided country. Repubs are the most non-patriotic members of our society.
Obama did exactly what he always does, read a pretty speech that someone else wrote. The man has no genuine ideas that can help this country, unless you are the type of person who likes having government control every aspect of your life. The majority of Americans understand that this bill is going to give the government unprecedented control of our lives.
Barack is a great speaker who manages to appear credible while spewing the same old rhetoric and not really committing to anything. He is Pelosi's puppet and she is not interested in people like me and my family who have worked hard and created a good life for ourselves. Obama should also be told by his speechwriters that the pronoun "nobody" is singular and should not be followed by "they" but "he or she". Clinton brought this shameful grammar into the White House and it is now being perpetuated by a guy who has just encouraged the Nation's children to get a good education!
50 minutes later (whew!) to conclude that it was a bad deal before and its' a bad deal now.
THAT IS A TYPICAL SPEACH OF A LAWYER THAT CAN LIE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND GET BY WITH IT TO THE BLIND AND DEAF DUMMY'S IN THIS COUNTRY...............AS SAID (DARK DAYS ARE AHEAD)
GOD BLESS AMERICA.........
TEXAS JIM
And the Democrats did what when Bush was in office? Should we consider you to have been unpatriotic then but patriotic now because you are in "lockstep" behind the President and Pelosi? This country was built on the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots who agreed and disagreed. This debate is part of what America is all about.
I listened carefully… and I’m still not buying. I have a number of objections but at the top of my list are these three.
1. I absolutely do not believe that we can pay for most of it by cutting out waste and fraud in Medicare. If it were that easy to cut hundreds of millions, why haven’t previous administrations already done it? Hell, why hasn’t his administration already begun to do just that?
2. The most basic math of all of this healthcare discussion simply doesn’t work. Unless you have a magic wand, you can’t add 15% to the industry’s workload (43 million plus newly covered citizens) and improve care while simultaneously lowering costs. Impossible.
3. The public option, with the 8 percent penalty for not providing approved coverage, will absolutely drive large numbers of businesses away from private insurance and into the public option. Using the President’s number of +/- $12,000 / year to cover a family and assuming the average family makes +/- $40,000 / year and assuming their employer pays half of that $12,000 / year or $6,000 / year; then the employers cost as a percentage of his employee’s salary cost is 15 percent. Ergo, the public option quickly runs the private business out of business.
In summary, the partisan bickering will continue, and the President’s multiple snide remarks (We will call you out!) added to it. I know we have got to move forward, but I still don’t see how we can do it. New Zeeland anyone?
I thought that Obama might really come together like he is always promising, but all he did was say the same old tired talking points and snipe at his opponents. For someone who was supposed to bring people together, he is clearly the most divisive president I have ever heard.
Americans have read the House Bill and can quote it. Barack never even goes there. He just says what he would like to see. Doesn't he ever know what Pelosi and Reed have put in the D*** bill?
Lies, Lies and more Lies. Threats, threats and more threats. He may be president but this speech was in a very hateful tone full of threats to people that oppose him. Congrats to the Senator that finally called him a liar to his face. That is one of the things I wish I could say personally to him, Pelosi and Reid.
@Angel: It has never taken someone who writes their own speeches or who has original ideas to make a good president. It's those who take ideas that are not their own, but those of the people they represent (in this case, Obama recognizes he represents the American people and wants to integrate Republican as well as Dem ideas). It is unfortunate that so many Fox News listeners and "journalists?" have decided to not like whatever this president is putting forward. Like the GOP politicians who have decided to just oppose for opposition sake, it does nothing for progress. When the insurance companies have had 40+ years to "fix" their system and failed, then it's time to allow some regulation to control costs and focus on the things that benefit business and consumers.
It began sounding pretty, but then he began the old mantra of casting blame back on those in the prior administration. Some of which is true but that will get us nowhere. Not one word mentioned about how great the health care system of this country performs every day. He is not going to Canada or England for treatment. Two steps he could take right now, to improve our system, and have a bill approved in a couple of weeks are: insurance competetion across state lines and portability.
The Gentleman from Louisiana hit the nail on the head. The President is not being truthful with the people of the United States, he has not been since the first day of his campaign. Blames everything on the former President, while everything he does is a complete and total failure. Wake up AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was nothing in this read that would change anyone's mind. It did not changed mine for sure. He is lying, his political credo is wobling and libs and dems are scared. MOB!!!!!! 2010 is right around the corner. We'll clean up the Hill and in 2012 clean up the House. No socialism should be allowed in this country.
The history, rationale and proposed plan were fine. BUT, the reality of who will pay was not detailed. According to the "Plan", the majority of the funds are to come from reducing fraud and doing a better job of managing Medicare and Medicaid. I think these "clean ups" should be done first and then we'll see what is available to reform other aspects of healthcare.
One of my freedoms is about to be taken away. That is my freedom to choose not to have health care insurance. The president said that I am irresponsible for not having insurance if I can afford it. Is it not my right to decide if I want to put money aside on my own for emerceny room visits. Does it somehow make me irresponsible to take care of my own life in my own way. I am offended from the president's comment. If I am forced to pay for health insurance by the government (yet again), (medicare), I will seriously start looking at moving countries. This is one freedom I will not have taken from me. I do not need insurance for health care that is not focused on making individuals healthier, but focused on making as much money as they possibly can. That is the real morality issue here. President Obama said that it is a morality issue to provide health care for everyone. Is it not then a morality issue that we start to heal the sick rather than keep them on drugs for the rest of their lives.
Not only did he not change my mind, he made my case against it stronger by thinking he can force health care on me. I am a fit healthy 28 year old (for the next 4 days at least). If I wanted health care I would pay for it. No way you will force it on me, 'Nuff said.
Where do leftists get the idea that people who disagree with them are less intelligent and easily led? How pompous can you Pelosi-fearers be? Barack is never held accountable by the general media as they're in awe of an idea and totally blinded. I pray his term in office goes quickly and before he gets an opportunity to do even more damage, not only to this country's image, but to its economy.
No One is looking into the Real cause of raising cost, tort reform and fraud. I only heard lip service to tort reform and it will Never Happen, as long as politicians are taking money from trial lawyers. Just ask John Edwards....
I find it interesting that a Fox poll is considered "a joke". The ratings on Fox are burying all other news programs. So either those who voted do not watch the news or they do not know what they voted for. Of course there is another explanation....ACORN!
Why should I be surprise at the results of this poll on the Fox News web site? Utterly ridiculous.
The truth was only spoken once, when someone yelled from the crowd, "you lie."
Ray,
Tort reform, fraud, expanding health savings accounts, and getting illegal aliens out of our system. Something that the liar in chief keeps forgetting. Conservatives have been asking for these things for years. But wait, he says we don't have a plan.
I am WITH the Gentleman from South Carolina! The (p)resident is lying! ILLEGAL immigrants WILL be covered by our hard-earned tax dollars. LEGAL immigrants should be as p.....off as I am!
Why should the senator who said "You Lie!" think he has to apologise? I say congrats to him! Did all the people who stood up and clap after every sentence do the same for disrupting the speech? No. It just goes to show how Obama cant handle anyone challenging him. Everyone glared at him as if he did something wrong.Why should he feel guilty for voicing his opinion...I wish more had done the same.
Appleseed,
Go to you liberal communist leaning news station and chant, the liberals will make it all better, the liberals will make it all better. If you can't stand the truth turn the channel. Many find it refreshing to find a moderate news source.
It was a laughable speech. WHere is the bill that makes the "promises" he described? Has it been debated ? SPeaking of debating, he is now calling for debate when previously he was trying to shove the 1000+ page bill up our butts with no time to read it nor debate it !
I am surprised that he sisn't promise every child a puppy too ! Maybe that's next....
I really did not want another speech from this charlatan, but I heard him out. I am still not convinced that he hs being truthful with the American people. First of all, he cannot pay for this by simply cutting waste, that is proposterous. Second, it will end up costing way more than $900 Billion. Anytime a liberal politician tells you what a proposed program will cost, better figure 3 to 5 times more. Third, millions of people will automatically lose their employer based insurance when their employers realize it's cheaper to pay the 8% penalty and dump them into the government plan. Fourth, the plan cuts medicare by $500 Billion, which will lead to rationing of care to the elderly. This is really not about healthcare reform at all. It is a power grab, a takeover of 17% of the US economy. Vladimir Lenin, the man who brought communism to Russia once said that the key to getting control of a nation is figuring out a way to control the medicine...America, beware the silver-tongued serpent!
For all you liberals out there, when the President turned toward the Republicans and said that he wanted them to participate in the Health Care Reform Debate, he valued their ideas... how many amendments do you think Nancy Pelosi and co will allow on the final vote of HR 3200? I would be a large sum of money it will be voted on under a closed rule. Obama and more importantly Emanual know this so that gesture to the Republican was BS. You won't see that fact mentioned on the MSM. One reason folks watch Fox news is to get the other side. Look at Yahoo, CNN and MSNBC all the same story.. President did a great job...
Appleseed Ex Machina is a typical left winger..they CAN'T possibly believe that folks don't see things their way!!! This president will go down in history as the worse one EVER. I have absolutely NO respect for that Marxist
Forget the speech. Just Google this guy and look back at his entire life. He is a Muslim, Socialist, and has major Communist ties. I don't care about the birth certificate, he is not an American at heart and is trying to take this country down.
I am from Chicago and can tell you that this man cannot be trusted. I have seen the video where he stated he believes in a single payer health care system. He also knows he has to start from a point of where the public option is just an option that will slowly put the other options out of business. He is a phony and a socialist. I have seen the people he has always surrounded himself with and they are all radicals. Birds of a feather flock together! By the way his famous words while sitting in the Illinois senate were “PRESENT” 67% of the time when it came to voting on matters. Great decision making abilities! I believe he stole the money of Illinois taxpayers!
TLH,
Why do you think Jimmy Carter is smiling. He is not longer considered the worst president in history.
Really Jane??? What polls would you prefer we pay attention to? CNN? MSNBC? Obama and his gang are all about fluff and shine to get you and everybody else to feel comfortable about the money they are spending. This bill HR3200.... Have you read it? I haven't, I tried and I am still working on it but 1017 pages of congressional rhetoric takes some time to read. Anyone who hasn't read this bill or at least attempted to read it, needs to shut their mouths, including everybody in the house, senate and the president himself, until they do There is not one republican saying that something doesn’t need to be done. All they are saying is there are other alternatives than the government taking over. We are not unpatriotic republicans just because we don’t agree with the thoughts and opinions that you form or the words that come out of your mouth. I DO NOT WANT THIS BILL PASSED. That does not make me unpatriotic; it makes me an informed and concerned US citizen
He did not change my mind. But then again not only am I against a government run health care system, I am against all social programs run at the Federal level where my tax dollars are taken and given to someone else. I believe all of these programs should be abolished and returned to the States where they belong.
20 years ago I started watching what the Politicians do and not what they put in speeches. I find that they are to very different in most cases. No matter which party they belong to. All of the bills in the house and senate will kill private business which will kill private jobs and all of them will add billions to our debt and instead of improving care they are going to lower everyone to the same level of Mediocre care. This is all about power and control and has nothing to do with healthcare otherwise it would be in plain English and everyone could understand how it’s going to be better. You don't rewire a house because the lightbulb went out.
"Jane" says that a Fox poll is a joke because we are all robots. What is she doing on the Fox web site? As far as Obama being credible and changing people's mind, I agree with Congresman Joe Wilson's assessment, Obama lied when it came to illegal aliens. Currently, illegals go to emergency rooms to get treated and the bill is left to the taxpayer to pay. This will not stop until illegals are deported after they are treated and their property is confiscated to pay for the medical bill. This, along with tort reform, will help drive down the cost of health care. It's unfortunate that "Jane" is not "in lock step" with the majority of the American people.
Jeff,
There should be a law requiring all bills to be written so that everyone can understand them. And another law requiring every member to read bills before vote or resign office.
Hey that would clean house.
Jane; I have never commented on one of these sites before but your post has pushed me to it. I am not a Republican I am however a conservative. I am also a combat veteran with 21 years of active duty service. You call Republicans hate filled and "the most non-patriotic members of our society" Jane from what I read the hate is coming from your group. It is from the liberals I see the name calling, the personal attacks, the slurs upon peoples motives and intelligence merely because they happen to disagree with Obama's and the Democrats socialist agenda.
It was your group Jane, yes a member of Obama's cabinet who called me and other combat veterans like me potential terrorist and told law enforcement to watch us. Why would that be Jane? I will make you a deal Jane, you spend 805 days in combat, you lose some of the best friends you ever had right in front of your eyes and then you come back and tell me how non-patriotic I am.
Dear Jane, Google "Democratic beliefs vs. Republican beliefs". Democratic: "Government guides the people". Republican: "The people guide the government". That's what this is all about. How much power should government have? In complete charge of our health care? Isn't that guiding US? How is Canada doing with their government-run health care? I heard it wasn't going so good.
Respect for the Presidency?? Please, Please!!!!! Please note that respect has to be earned and not there just because of the position. All the wasted spending that he has proposed the last eight months has sunkened US economy into the ocean, with tremendous debt that will greatly affect later generations. As for the terrorists, I believe that they are rejoicing now, not because they have successfully made attacks on us but for the fact that the elected officials are acting for their own interests, messing up with the population's wishes and the hugh debt incurred that will eventually haunt us. They have totally forgotten that they are there to work for us. The President said we are a wealthy nation, I think he needs to update himself. We used to be one but with all the spending that he proposed, we will turn into one of the poorest nations pretty soon.
Anytime you are being sold a bill of goods, where you are being ripped off the con-man will stop you from considering the truth, by giving you a "isn't it great for you speech". The truth always comes out in the long run. The truth about this con-man and his parties intentions are becoming apparent. They want your money, and their veiw of how you should live your life. I stand with Representitive Joe Wilson, Mr. Obama "You Lie" ! ! ! ! Do your job, defend this nation, and keep your hands off my money, and my health care plan and decisions ! ! !
i would bet that obama is going to grant all the illegals amnesty before the bill is final
Obamas healthcare plan is doomed to fail, just as he is doomed to fail. He has
never governed or ran anything in his life and the presidency is NOT on the job
training. What on earth makes him think that with all his fancy speeches and
his superb articulation that he thinks he can reform healthcare, he cannot. He
is going to be the ruin of this country called America, oops, it's not AMERICA
anymore, it's AFERICA. IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!
Obamas healthcare plan is doomed to fail, just as he is doomed to fail. He has
never governed or ran anything in his life and the presidency is NOT on the job
training. What on earth makes him think that with all his fancy speeches and
his superb articulation that he thinks he can reform healthcare, he cannot. He
is going to be the ruin of this country called America, oops, it's not AMERICA
anymore, it's AFERICA. IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!
He did not change my mind nor my husband's. They the dems have double standards. They heckle Bush , but no one is to heckle The Great Obama! Sorry but he is not God just a Lier in Chief.
I agree with Rep. Joe Wilson. He shouldn't apologize for calling Obama what he is - a liar. This regime and that is what it is - a regime - has been systematically taking away our rights and replacing them with socialist slavery and with an enormously high price tag. Obama is not a king, pelosi is not a queen and we are not their subjects.
He does lie. What are they going to do with the pennieless illegal immigrants? Make them pay their own medical bill? With what ? They seem to know it , why doesn't the " annointed one" know it ?
I thought the President was going to give us more specifics to persuade his constituents to support this Obamacare. Well, I was trully disappointed at the same vague, non-commital, too-good-to-be-true, pie-in-the-sky perfect plan he described. Wow! it won't cost a dime!!
I am glad to be on the fair and balanced website. Maybe you toothless Rush listening Jerry Springer mindless twits should go to school and try and have a mind of your own. I guess you could stand up and scream that the President is a liar, class act way to represent your party you idot. What is the Republican plan for health care oh I forgot there isn't one.
I can believe how ignorant many of you are. You all have the IQ of Joe the Plumer. Remember him? He was against tax brakes for the middle class and taxing the top 3% billionaires and HE WAS MIDDLE CLASS!!! He was against thing that would actually benefit him and all of you are the same. You are just against "things". You can keep your own insurance, doctor, etc and still you complain??? This plan is ment to give insurance to every american, why? Because everybody gets sick and at some point everybody needs a doctos. We end up paying for the unninsured!!!!
Now, if you loose your job under Obamas plan you can keep your insurance, if you or your Mom or Dad are diagnosed with cancer your insurance company won't be able to reject you!!!!
And you are still against it????????
Your argument is, "well how are we going to pay for it"? You all sound so responsable. I wish I could see how good you all are at paying your bills. I wish I could see how much DEBT you all have on you credit cards.
There are ways to pay for it, GIVE IT A SHOT!!!!
I really hope some of you would respond to my comment. I would love to argue with each one of you until you understand that you are just AGAINST because Multi-Billionaires are pumpimg so much money into Fox and other outlets so you keep their business safe.
Who do you want between you and your doctor? The insurance companies? What if you loose your job and the next day your son has an accident???? what if your mom get cancer at age 45 and you are still in college?
come one, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!
Obama cannot handel criticism. He sound angry and apparently has not been listening to the American people. His lack of management experience is finally catching up with him. He is really willing to bring down cost, he is just wanting to fundamentally change America. Health Care Reform is so huge. Why not take it in steps.
1. Try all the cuts that they are saying will come from medicare & medicaid
See what you come up with. Then use the amount you get from the cuts and tackle another aspect of health care.
2. There are great examples out there were care delivery has been made efficient and cost down by more than 25%. Why not copy an example like this and make it available for all hospitals around the country.
3. Cost of premium has never gone down. 10 years ago, in Holland we were paying about $34 in premium but now we pay about $105 for basic premium and $155 to include dental coverage. So cost of health care never goes down.
President Obama has a dream world in his mind that does not fit with reality. He so controlled by political groups that he cannot put his legs on the ground.
I am beginning to believe he is a one term president.
He has not said anything about van Jones, He said he did not know Bill Ayers, but yet he surrounds himself with radicals.
Well, you want to be independent, start a business of your own.
Most of the comments by Democrats on health care are focused on personal attacks of the loyal opposition. I take offense when anyone refuses to debate on the merits of their plan . When your plan is not defensible attack the character of the opposition. This is a power play for wussies. Like thumpers mom in Bambi said " if you can't say something nice , don't say anything at all. You democrats need to grow up!!!!
The speech was a joke. The only thing I heard that was a positive is the tort reform. However, I do not believe they will add any tort reform. The Leberals / Progressives are going to try and push this through. We all must stand together and stop them. It is a shame. They could easily take a few steps and fix a broken health care system. I do want to mention another positive. I feel Obama and the democratic congress is bringing people together like after 9/11. However, it is in opposition to what they are doing. This may well usher in a whole new group of sound politicians next year.
Finally, a Republican showed some cojones and responded to yet another lie during the so-called President's speech - God bless Joe Wilson! The Democrats cried "lack of respect" for Wilson's outburst yet fail to realize that their radical communist in the oval office has no respect whatsoever for our Constitution, much less for the American people.
With a result of 92% to 7% against the president, it shows the makeup of Fox News is over 90% conservative or right wing.
Why is it news that the right wing is unhappy with a president that was voted in by and is still supported by the majority of the American people?
Unreal,
Public school is how we got into this mess. I can understand why you would want us to go back to education camps.
It is a sad state of affairs when so many people act with so much disrespect for the office that goes towards the very freedom us as Americans live and die for. I don’t care if you are a republican or democrat acting like a child is unacceptable from someone who is an elected official. Do we expect people to disagree and have passion towards what they think is right or wrong, yes. But there is a right and a wrong way to do things, most of us learned it by the time we were in the first grade. America voted and spoke loudly with the last election and they will vote again in the future elections. If I had an employee who had performed the way Joe Wilson did last night he would be on the street this morning apology or not.
We need a leader not a person who divides our country. I am neither Republican or Democrat and listened with a willingness to consider my opinions against government run healthcare if definite plans and facts were presented. The idea of paying by eliminating "fraud and waste in medicare" is a red herring. If such were possible, they should be eliminating it now--independant of the health care debate.
After listening, I was apalled at the lack of leadership our president exhibited. When I look past his eloquent delivery and "cheerleading", I do not see any attempt to unite, compromise or lead. Instead I was some what chilled by the threats (We will seek you out.) directed toward anyone who does not agree with him.
In summary, when you look past the eloquent speaking no definite facts were presented and I am even more against the idea of government controlled health care.
I gave the President an "F" on his speech, it seemed to me he just used his position of power to denigrate people that do not agree with his way of thinking. He needs to understand, just because most of Americans did not go to Harvard they can still read and understand when they are being fed a line of bull. It is awful to think someone would lose their home because they could not pay their medical bills, but if I for some reason can't pay my property taxes the government is going to take my home. Dose that mean, the government is not bad they just do bad thing?
All those posting....how would you fix healthcare? One thing the President got right, we are going to bankrupt our country with healthcare costs in the next 20 years. We need a solution and soon. My generation of Baby Boomers are heading for Medicare and then watch the costs zoom. And I don't want to even think about social security's future. We have to control costs and insure the uninsured. So how do you all think we should do that?
Amen to your comment, TexasJim. Dark days are ahead, to be sure. The tragedy of this is that it is the STUPIDS that voted this MORON and his ilke into office...Unfortunately, now we ALL get to suffer. I truly hope and pray that GOD still blesses America...
Now let me get this straight...
We're going to insure somewhere between 30 million & 47 million more people.
We're going to decrease the cost to each of us for health insurance.
The government is going to fund this primarily from the fraud and waste in medicare and medicaid. (If they know theres this much fraud and waste, why haven't they cleaned it up before?)
The government is going to clean up this mess, and establish a public option, but less than 5% of the public will opt for the public option.
We're not going to cover illegal aliens (but they are still going to show up in our ERs.)
So, we're going to insure a lot more folks for less money, the aliens are magically going to disappear from our health system, and the natonal debt is not goiung to go up one dime.
So, I've got a great deal for you on a bridge that connects Manhattan and New Jersey.
We cannot possibly be this dumb or naive.
... and all of this will be brought to us by the fine folks in the US government bureaucracy, who have brought us the financially stable behemoths run by our government.
The US Postal Service - always in debt, would be bankrupt and out of business if not subsidized by us, unlike successful competitors -FedEx, UPS which actually are successful and profitable.
Freddie Mac & Fannie May - Failures again, requiring infusion of our hard earned taxes.
Social Security - Impending bankruptcy which is being ignored.
Medicare - Impending bankruptcy which is being ignored.
Medicaid - Impending bankruptcy which is being ignored.
The FDIC which is down to only 10 billion in reserves, and requires desperately cash infusion to help assure the safety of our bank deposits.
Not to count the financial sector and automotive sectors of the economy which have become governmental stepchildren.
So Obama and crew with no successful experience in any administrative field want to annex 1/6th of thye US ecxonomy and put it under their control.
and somehow legitimately addressing true Tort reform escaped the president's formula. Malpractice suits weigh heavily on the Medical profession, generating high insurance costs to physicians as well as generating further expenses to patients to assure that all the bases are covered ordering every possible test in an effort to avoid liability suits. This is expensive, and a major contributor to escalating medical costs for our citizenry. Yet probably because of the president's support by Trial loawyers, this obvious cause of bloating of the healthcare crisis is ignored. We need Tort reform as part of any realistic approach to healthcare reform.
We should fix what is broken, leave alone what works well and tread slowly and softly as we watch for adverse unIntended consequences of the proposed extreme rapid health reform.
Hey Jane, go back to where ever it is you came from and take Obama and
the Dems with you. If anyone is non-patriotic is the lot of you. Democracy is what this country is about. Our FREEDOMS! I feel if your not happy with the
way things are in America, then find somewhere else where you would be. When you start talking about changing the fundemental principals that this country was founded on and run it with radicals, yes people are going to fight back and that's our right. If you can't take the heat, which obviuosly the lefties can't, then get out of the fire.
Mark,
Just because he won the election does not make him emperor. We still have our voices and our representatives to prevent perversion of our republic.
New Zealand...not sure it'd be a good alternative [Jeff Fisher]. Their health care system, like every other democratic country in the developed world, falls in the category of being 'socialist.'
Wuff! Wuff! Wuff! 262 speeches; 232 days in office. I would greatly appreciate it if President Obama would stop campaigning and start working towards the bi-partisan, transparent position he took DURING the campaign. This speech disturbed me. "We the people" just simply doesn't matter to this guy. Nov 2010 mid-term election is a very long time from now. So flag@wh didn't work- now those that speak against the dictator will be "called out"? Many have died in wars to protect the sovereignty and freedoms in this country. Obama is NO joke! He's serious and we are inconsequential. After all- didn't Pelosi tell that to the nation? We're "astroturf." While we are caught in the discontent of health care debates - our enemies are yucking it up as they test our vulnerabilities... The president should be more concerned with our national security. A bankrupt nation is vulnerable to any jeckels out in the wild. From a psychological perspective it's clear the disturbances in BHO's (Barry Soratoro) life he plays out on the public stage....over-compensating for those things he did not get in his childhood... all to our loss and his gain.
AND TO JANE, the first post: A person doesn't have to be a Republican to see through disingenuous Obama! You could have muted the speech and just observed the body-language to learn more about what he was saying than WHAT he was saying. There are other SMART people out here who don't vote for Republicans or Democrats but vote for who they believe are the best people for the jobs. I'm one of them.
Generations in our family (1700s through present) have fought for the freedoms in this country YOU presently enjoy (for now)! AND YOURS?????
To Jane.
Are we to believe the polls are CNN, NBC, ABC when every self thinking American knows the media is in the pocket for Obama? Kudos to FOX for keeping it real. Why else would fox be dominating the news rankings? They produce fact on both sides of the issue you just don't want to see the other side.
I am a staunch conservative and I have the highest respect for the position of Presidency. One can respect the position without respecting the man. I do not and never will respect Barack Hussein Obama because he is the complete opposite of my political beliefs. Economically speaking with facts to support the following: "You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
Now... the challenge is on you to prove me wrong!
The truth of the matter is no time to date has the government been successful, history proves that. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Welfare it's all going bust - guess what run by the government (see a common theme here?). I have as much a right to oppose the current Administration as you did the last. And the truth of the matter is, why break what is working to fix what is not? It's a slippery slope and all down here from here if not done properly.
"We're expected to believe a Democrat-controlled Congress, with deep divisions in its ranks, will put together a bill that will keep everything the same for those who have health insurance through their jobs, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA; mandate coverage of pre-existing conditions; ban caps on coverage; mandate coverage of routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies; offer health insurance to 30 million uninsured; provide tax credits for small businesses; painlessly mandate coverage for the young healthy uninsured; provide hardship waivers; provide choice and competition; keep insurance companies honest; avoid taxpayer subsidies for public option plans; keep out illegal immigrants; not pay for abortions; and not deny care to the elderly because of cost-benefit analyses, all while not adding one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future." (Geraghty on National Review.)
Abracadabra...Magician he is not. He can't do it, nobody could. Smoke and Mirrors, and, yes, lies, lies, lies.
Blamers don`t lead and leaders don`t blame. Obama is a BLAMER!
Obama is ALSO simply a talking head [EVENING NEWS]reading a teleprompter which is made up of the far left anger at the American system written by the moveon.org crowd.
Our Country is in grave danger of being dismantled and taken over ny leftist extremists. VAN JONES AND OTHER LIKE MINDED AVISORS STILL SURROUND AND ADVISE OBAMA.
mimiinpa
What is going to bankrupt our government? Spending,
Our plan, we have been shouting for years how to fix it. Turn your channel to a moderate fox news and you will hear.
1. Tort Reform,
2. Healthcare savings accounts
3. Get Illegal aliens out of the country and our health system
4. Fraud
5. Allow companies to compete across state lines.
Maybe Mythbusters aught to do a show on this.
President Obama is an excellent speaker but so were some more notorious leaders in history (no names mentioned but I am sure some of you know who I am talking about). Just because you are a good speaker does not mean that what comes out of your mouth makes any sense. Pay attention to the words being said and not how it is being said, don't let the emotion in the words effect you. President Obama did not say anything really new or mindblowing and I agree with Joe Wilson, he is liar.
MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN all tried to conduct a poll of 700 Americans to get their opinion on the healthcare speech by President Oblahma, but they could not find 700 viewers. Everyone was watching Fox News. Get a clue, Jane, and you other hate-mongering left wingers. We're tired of the "main stream" media telling us what to think. We have long ago realized that we can think for ourselves. That's why we watch Fox.
The President showed great leadership and strength to look people in the eye to work with them. The partisan lies make me so ashamed of the Republican party and Cantor twittering because he is so political every minute of his day and Wilson's town hall, Tea Party whitetrash was unacceptable. Republicans need to act like adults instead of bratty kids and the weirdo pundits like Beck and Hannity need to mature into real news. Beck's yapping about the NBC building and Obama's cabinet is nothing next to Wilson's behavior. In fact Wilson and Beck are very similar. Which is why I would never buy products on his or Hannity's show. No longer watch them. I am a retired Republican Air Force Colonel. That was my president speaking last night.
This speech was so disappointing. I think Americans are willing for Obama to get it right...but he keeps insisting that there is a sinister group "spreading lies and misinformation". No, Sir, we have just been reading the bill. The American People, thanks to Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech have been doing their own research. I have also been reading up on history-how Hitler was able to take over a nation: first with smooth words and promises, then with bully tactics and later brutality. There are a LOT of parallels between this administration and Hitler's. I once visited a newly-formed church and on this particular day, the pastor said" If you don't believe what I'm preaching, you can just walk out that door!" Turns out, everyone should have walked out because the church broke down soon after: the preacher was helping himself out to more than his fair share of the offering. We are getting the same bully talk from this president. Now, the question is, can Congress and the American people keep the Left from applying Bully Tactics to have everything their way?
Do not know anymore than you did before. He is so good doing the 2 step. I am a democrat for 40 years. All I can say is what my grandmother used to say when I was a little girl. HOG WASH!!!!
Sometimes names and comments don't match. hmmmm
I'm surprised his pants did't burst into flames right on stage.
"Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire" Wilson has my vote for having the nads to say so.
I didn't want to get depressed so I didn't watch it. I have heard and seen enough of the Pres. 3 more years and 3 more months. What will this country be like then?
He lies well through his teeth!
Jane... You are a typical dem, blame everyone, accept everything, but the truth about your Messiah..!.
Retired Air Force, that was my President too! I agree with your comments. It was not good for my kids to see Cantor twittering because we consider that rude. Is nothing sacred to these political types. Wilson is another story. Shame, shame, shame, but I am sure Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck will try to spin it as a hero. I will not allow those programs plus some Stuart guy to be shown on my tv. They are rude to guest, talk over them, don't let them answer questions and try to tear this country apart.
Rhonda,
Thanks, good assessment, he has spoken so many times since he was elected and then all the way back to when he started his campaign, he is more like white noise.
All mouth (and ears) no DO.
Of course this people said no to this poll. People who watch this channel are no different from those following people like Chavez or the president of Iran. It does not matter how wrong they are, they will still do what their leader says. it so sad to see this older people so angry (mostly older white people)
FOX. Not a legitimate news organization. Just a right wing blog.
This President is a pathelogical liar. Every word he said were nothing but bits and pieces of his other 27 lie filled speeches. He makes me sick to my stomach everytime I see his lying face on the television or hear him on the radio. I cannot wait until we get a Republican President back in, get Pelosi out of the house, and turn this country around. Nothing but a bunch of radical lying idiots running the executive and legislative branches.
Republican Mom and Republican Air Force Ret.
I am not saying your are not republican, but look at your president who has been saying in speeches that conservatives have been lying. After being called names for so long, (the kettle is calling the pot black) it just exploded.
He did apologize, the president still has not. His apology was public btw.
I read one comment by sweet craver stating this president was voted in and 'supported by the majority of the people in America.' but purhaps he failed to notice the approval rating of Mr. Obama being far less than a true majority. In fact it would seem <45% would make me feel he is not supported by the majority, would it not?
On another look, wasn't Hitler also vastly popular when he was elected to lead Germany? And didn't he start his horrifying destruction of freedom by a government take-over of the banks, then auto industry, then health care, then a massive euthinasia of those he didn't agree with? I guess than as a conservative in the medical industry I should certainly be fearful not only of my job and ability to support my family but also of my life.
I still don't know if HR3200 is the bill he is supporting or if a new bill will be drafted. Has anything changed?
And I am tired of the slams made by those supporting the bill..... instead of trying to come up with clever putdowns why not state your reasons for supporting the bill.... intelligent debate is what is needed. My 12 year grandchild can put her ideas forth in a more mature manner than many of the people on these posts.
Your simply acting unamerican if you think it's OK for fellow citizens to be left without basic healthcare. I don't believe that everyone should get a free ride, and, the plan that was presented backs that position.
I hope those that are enjoying their health and do have a job don't experience WHY this is necessary. But, sometimes that's the only way ignorance can be broken, by self experience.
You won't go broke if you get sick.
You can't be dumped if your health turns for the worst.
You can't be dumped in the middle of treatment.
If your job situation changes, you'll be protected.
Insurance companies can't refuse you on pre-existing conditions.
Compeditive plans for small business by pooling people together (just as large companies do)
A not-for-profit insurance company that can sell directly to the american people to ensure compeditive rates with all the for-profit insurance companies.
This is Obama's plan. How can you not be for that? Because litterally handful of people may get free insurance b/c of a public option? Your talking about American lives here, not cars or trucks.
WE ARE THE ONLY WEALTHY DEMOCRATIC NATION THAT ALLOWS OUR OWN PEOPLE TO GO WITHOUT BASIC HEALTHCARE.
At the end of the day, are you really proud of that?
I liked the idea that insurance companies would have to compete, generating a "market" feel to the industry. I also liked that President Obama wants to regulate some of the insane policies insurance companies have gotten away with so far (not covering people because of preexisting conditions, etc.). I do not want a public option, and I do not want Pelosi anywhere near my healthcare. I did not hear anything new, and I was most disappointed when President Obama resurrected Senator Kennedy's healthcare views. So cheap. That's when I stopped listening.
Protective of freedom,
and only 40 % of the eligible voted.
I am glad the President spoke, He reaffirms my beleif that that Government cannot and should not be involved in my healthcare! It is a pathetic day when our President "calls out" (threatens!) those who are in dissension and who can not tell the truth if his own life depended on it! "You Lie" is the label that fits this President! READ THE BILL MR. PRESIDENT!!!!! Rep. Wilson THANK YOU! Mr. President STOP doing what you and your party are accusing the Republicans of!
Robert,
No one is left without health care. ask the illegal aliens.
Who would ever believe what he says. Remember all the promises he made and hasn't kept. Look at all his buddies he hired on to be his aids. he has surrounded himself with crooks ... he is a typical chicago politican and he's in bed with the main stream media who lables those of us who do not agree with the plan obama and his cronies have cooked up as unamerican, etc., etc., etc. obama will go down in history the president who bankrupt America .
I would never believe a word he says... he continues to talk out of both sides of his mouth. look at what he's done to America in the past 200 days.
Hey Republican mom,
I am a veteran and he is not my President. Wilson, while the timing may have been inappropriate, spoke from what was in his heart and the heart of many Americans. This President is a liar and his lies keep getting bigger and bigger. Wake up and smell the coffee. Those who remember Jimmy Carter, know this guy is much worse. Those of us from South of Chicago in Illinois, know this guy is a lying waste of a human being with no experience. He ran on fixing the ecomony and so far, seems to me his little campaign promise of doing that has not been done.
Robert,
We are not a democracy, we are a republic.
sadly, a President who states to stop with the scare tactics only gives one himself at the end of his speech. How fitting. The real funny thing about all this is the fact the guy is trying to paint himself as middle of the road when every ounce of his body is so friggin far left that it's almost laughable to hear him speak as if he's for the average person. He created this albatross, so let him sink with it. He's lost me on it - I am not buying it at all and I am trying to be nice about it here. One thing I will say - those tax dollars paying for Madame Peloisi botox shots are getting their money's worth. Did her face even move once during the speech? I mean outside of her whipping her head around when the dufus dude shouted "you lie!", did it ever move? he just won't win this battle. Sorry, move on to the elections already.
thank god we have the fox team chasing up these criminal politicians, child rapists , liars and thieves.
can you imagine how fast this obamanation would have drained the pond if guys like bill and jeff weren't investigating these creeps?
keep it up please at least until we can get our country back.
also, may i suggest since we already are failing in our current party system (democrats, republican, independent) let me suggest the grass roots party named the AMERICAN PARTY
TO DARRIN who said "People who watch this channel are no different from those following people like Chavez or the president of Iran. It does not matter how wrong they are, they will still do what their leader says."
Uh I think you need to chose a different comparison... as Obama's Federal Communications Commission Diversity Czar Mark Lloyd seems to be a fan of Chavez.... google Mark Lloyd, Darrin....
If you're going to support something, or someone, maybe you better make sure you know what you are supporting.
Will the Government running healthcare be any different than what we see at VA Hospitals?
My dad was in one. Not only were they considerably understaffed, but the conditions were deplorable.
Is this what we want? Heck no!
We would be daft to allow them to run 1/6 of the US economy.
Obama & Friends ruined enough with that stimulus package.
Hey Robert,
We are the only country without nationalized healthcare and that is great. I lived in a country for three years with nationalized healthcare and their system of healthcare is the worst. Ours by far out does theirs. When I didn't have health care, I had to go to the emergency room in this country, I was not denied service, nor was I made to pay the entire $7.000 bill. I worked it out with the hospital to pay $2.000 and they allowed me to set up a payment I could afford. That did not happen when I had to deal with a nationalized health care system.
There are other good options being offered and being in the legal profession, tort reform is a good place to start, along with tax credits to get health care, and allowing people to get health care from insurance companies across state lines. Our government won't allow that though, thus creating a lack of competition. The VA, which is government run health care is the worst as well. What makes you think they can run an entire health care system. They can't. Stop believing they will make your lives better, they don't care about you. What has he done for the economy, seems to me unemployment is still rising, there is a lack of consumer spending, housing prices are still falling. Didn't he say he was going to fix that as well?
I saw, for the first time, last night something I thought I'd never see as the descendant of a Washington Insider family. I saw the President of the United States threaten the people that elected him. "If you misrepresent this plan, we'll call you out!" Never once was I ever to tell my US History or Government students about the tyranny of a US President threatening the members of another branch of our tripartite power structure!
I would also like to know how liberalism is "progressive"? If one speaks to the "progressive" nature of Theodore Roosevelt, then one might say that working for the rights of the American citizen would be progressive. For in denying big bureaucratic companies of the right to abuse their employees is a move in the right direction for letting the American people the rights of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Today's modern Marxist liberal is no where near the so-called liberalism of the 30's 40's, 50's and 1960's.
One of my cousins is a local Congressman from my home state. He is considered one of the so-called Blue Dogs even though he's quite liberal.
However, he has not forgotten the "servant" in public servant and has been opposed to the current Pelosi debacle before the Congress now.
The treacherous people of MSNBC also lied about Fox News last night when little Willie Geist accused you guys of not broadcasting the speech. I didn't watch much of the speech and didn't need to. Bret Baier was on nearly three hours after his normally scheduled time.
I wholeheartedly applaud Congressman Wilson for his truth telling in the House last night.
HAHA This poll is a joke. Anyone who reads Fox news (propaganda) for any reason other than a good laugh is probably not going to change their mind. I wonder how accurate my breakdown of fox news viewers is.... haha
20% old grumpy men who already have government health care
10% preachers
40% uneducated Christians who don't have rational views about politics
20% people who have more money than they could ever spend
10% other
shif,
We are not a democracy, we are a republic?
Well, we are both actually. From an American dictionary, here are the definitions:
Democracy;
free and equal representation of people
a country with a government that has been elected freely and equally by all its citizens
Republic:
political system with elected representatives:
a political system or form of government in which people elect representatives to exercise power for them
This is not the debate, although I agree that we are a republic and a democracy.
Illegal aliens? Do you think that's a strong point with our current system? I don't think so. In fact, requiring everyone to get insurance like we do auto insurance helps with the cost b/c now more people will be paying into the system.
At the end of the day illegal aliens is a break down in our immigration policy and is NOT either cured or represented by the state of the health care that we AMERICANS support for ourselves.
It's rather simple. It's all about power, money and politics. It has nothing to do with Health Care. Health Care is just the vehicle being used. The Dems want to continue to create an enabling society so they can stay in power and fill their pockets. The Republicans are no better when they are in power. This Country is Starving for a 3rd Party who IS FOR THE PEOPLE.
To our government officials...why don't you put Healthcare and Cap & Trade aside until a later date and focus on JOBS. I believe most would rather work and buy their own healthcare instead of having no option but government healthcare. Maybe it's all part of their plan. Americans out of work...no money...no other choice.
@ Marty - - I hope you remain a fit 28 year old (and beyond) but should you find yourslef being "fit", actively running and eating healthy but still end up with an illness... say CANCER, who do you expect to pay for your surgery and months of chemotherapy when you "opt" to not buy insurance?
I too was a healthy "fit" individual who now has thousands of dollars in medical expenses...... wish I would have 'opted' to buy insurance or better yet - make it a law that you have to have it because I wouldn't be in the financial mess I'm in now.
Robert,
Please read your post.
WE THE PEOPLE
DO NOT CONSENT;
To 9 trillion dollars in debt,
Socialism
Communism
Reverse discrimination / Black Panther Racism
Illegal aliens free healthcare, free public schools/free breakfasts/lunches,
Redistribution of our hard earned taxes.
How about....
Tort reform, reduce defensive medicine pratices, no healthcare for illegal aliens, positive / legal identification required to be seen by a doctor.....
Democrats are going to lose seats at the 2010 midterms in a very BIG way.
OBAMACARE & ILLEGAL ALIENS – ON THE HORNS OF A DILEMA
. Last night in his “state of health care” speech to Congress, Obama dropped the number of “current uninsureds” that will be covered under obamacare from 47 to 30 million . He did this to try and eliminate the 17 million illegal aliens contained in the original 47 million number he had been using. He now vehemently denies that illegal aliens will be given health insurance under his plan.
. He admits that everyone does now receive healthcare, even the some 47 million people that are uninsured. According to obama, they just get their health care by going through the inefficient emergency room system which he wants to change by giving them insurance. But, since he now says the 17 million illegal aliens will not receive health insurance, this means this 17 million people (approximate 1/3rd+ of all uninsureds) will continue to use the emergency room system.
. He says obamacare will not cost us a thing since it will be paid for by the savings realized by making the system more efficient. How can the system be made more efficient if it will still contain the 17 million illegal aliens who not get insurance and will, instead, continue to receive their health care via the emergency room system. Won’t this in fact insure that the health care system remains costly and inefficient.
Het,
I did not get to see his speech and there is no hades way it could have changed my mind. Everybody wake up and together we can put a stop to all the non-cents. Leadership is fine, but when it is done for personal gains and
recognition that's not right. The Constitution of the United States of America
did not get us this far for us to allow junk to be crammed down our throats!
Amen.
Debbie,
you are alive, How did you do it without health care? You are in debt, but you are alive. I know many people who have gone through health issues without health insurance. They paid, maybe 200 a month, but they paid, and the silly hospitals what did they do. lowered the bill, and didn't charge interest. That greedy "Baptist Hospital" in OKC.
Everyone should read Liberty Counsel, www.LC.org, to find the truth of H. R. 3200, the healthcare reform favored by Speaker Pelosi and President Obama.
Spoken like a true lawyer...same ole thing repackaged with a smile; the animation was sickening on Pelosi's and Biden's faces....
I loved Obama's speech on Healthcare, I think he said what had to be said to the stupid people of America that think Obama is trying to destroy America like Bush had done. But instead the speech showed again that Obama really cares about America and trying to solve the many nations problems that we are facing in these troubling times. If Healthcare so great why are many Senior Citizens getting there Prescription Medicine from Canada? And why many Americans are going to third World Countries to have life threatening surgery? And if Healthcare system is so great why are the taxpayers paying the Hospital bill for 40 million Americans and illegal immigrants that dont have Health insurance? The same people who are hating on Obama is the same people that voted for George Bush twice. I'm sure you guys wish Bush was hear to fix the Healthcare problem like he did the Economy.
Julie,
When you went to the emergency room and required 7,000.00 in services and only paid 2,000.00, who do you think had to cover the missing cost?
This is the problem with our current system. If you can afford to pay 2,000.00 in bills, then you should be able to afford basic health insurance, which is the point.
Obama said it twice last night, "You do not need to change your doctor or your insurance"
That means this concept of "nationalized health care" just flew out the window, it's not real. What is real is that we need to restructure our health care system inside of its current framework to better support Americans.
You say that you think its great that you live in our current system. Also realize if nothing changes with our current system, it can bankrupt america. That's not propoganda, that's the truth.
He is lying again. And to Jane....she is the robot.
I listened. I listened to the portion about what the president plans to do if he thinks someone is lying abuout the plan. How can a president use the words "we will call you out"? Who is the "we" in that sentence? How will the person allegedly spreading the lie about the plan be "called out"? What power or force will be brought to bear? And who will decide whether the comment is a "lie" or an exercise in good faith discussion and dissent?
No doubt the speech was great rhetoric. There is still much work to do, however I think clarity was achieved. If you have healthcare, nothing will change..
If you have a pre-existing condition, you won't be penalized for it.. We do have too many uninsured and everyone agrees that this needs to be addresed. Healthcare issues are certainly not new as they have been debated for almost 100 years. It's a shame that we are so politically polarized that we can't reach a mature decision.. How about we all get access to the same plan that members of Congress enjoy ? There would be no debate, only shame for not giving us access...
Robert,
Everyone I have known that has gone to the hospital without health care has had the price reduced to the "negotiated price" for insurance companies when they start making the payments.
shif,
This is the problem. Look at your last 3 responses to me. Nothing. You say, "we are a democracy, not a republic", then you say "read your post"
This is the problem with the debate at a core level. When you faced with cold hard facts you disappear from the debate and shut down.
This is why we stagnate, it's people like you that encourage our politicians to do nothing other than status quo.
Post some relevant facts, can you not take me to task on any point?
Let's see what you got, stop hiding. I'm right here ready to debate FACTS, not cleaver (or not so) one liners.
I will not support anything that involves the government attempting to manage something only the private sector should be responsible for. Living in the U.S. how can anyone support socialism? Obama is a know liar, who has appointed czars like flies, these guy's are like maggots feeding on the rotting brains of citizens who are too uninformed to figure this crowd out. Democrats have screwed up social security, medicare, FNMA, Freddie Mac and the list goes on, we are fools if we give them this also.
Jane,
I am wondering, did you feel this way when President Bush was in office?
I am also curious about one thing.... Would you be behind this "Healthcare Reform" if President Bush had developed it?
This poll is for everyone's opinion, just because everyone doesn't share your opinion you shouldn't criticize Fox News for providing unbiased unfiltered opinions, if you want that go to CNN.
The question is, when our country is almost bankrupt, why would we incur more debt? It makes as much sense as spending every penny in our purse and sending everyone in the Country a check for a year's salary? Say $65,000 plus bonus! For our country to spend the amount for mandatory national health care for everyone - any amount is absurd! It’s simple accounting: when your checkbook has a negative balance you stop spending and fix the negative. Some people in Washington obviously think if you still have checks in your checkbook, there must be lots of money? Wake up!!
I love my country and want it to survive. We have to stop this reckless spending!
Republicans should propose an amendment that REQUIRES Obamacare on all US Federal employees, to include US Senators, Representatives and all registered lobbyists.....then we'll see if the corrupt Democrats are really serious about healthcare reform!
Tamm1,
They should also have to pay social security.
The President sounded like an insurance salesman, not a President and for that matter not a good insurance salesman.
He could not tell me what the benefits were and cost. I'm reminded of the old adage, "This policy will cover you if you jump off a ten story building, we got you all the way down, but when you hit the ground (bottom) your on your own.
Another comparison would be the "snake oil saleman we have seen many times on old black and white movies."
If this speech moves congress to move forward, then Snake Oil Medical Service or benefits is what we will be getting.
Im young, eat right, dont smoke, dont drink, exercise and probably will not need health care for a long time to come. If I do need care i can pay out of pocket without a problem. Seems like the ones taking care of themselves are the ones getting shafted if forced into a plan!!!
Threatening and scarey! I was stuned by the remark, "we will call you out" that the President made last night. Evidently he is not afraid since he made that remark, he knows he will do what he wants to do regardless of what we the people want.
God help us!!
Hey Robert,
I do have current health insurance, I just didn't think I needed it when I was in my early 20's, and in college, hence why I didn't have it. Have you actually read the bill they have put, I have, Obama hasn't, which is why he is lying about my keeping my health care. I will not be able to keep my current health, if they decide to change anything in my health care, or I move to another job. Read the bill. I don't care what Obama says, he has you snowed. By the way the $2,000, I paid over three years, so you do the math on that one, because I didn't have the money.
shif,
You say that everyone you know gets to go into a hospital and renegociate the price they pay.
And do you think that is a positive factor in our current health care system?
In fact what happens is hospitals write these costs off, lowering taxes.
So we end up paying for all your friends as they enjoy their write-offs.
This is the point. Bring everyone into the health care system, have everyone pay there bit, so we all enjoy solid, great service when/if we get sick.
I
I love how people indoctrinated in the main stream media think they know something when they really base their opinions on a belief that the news they get is unbiased or well researched.
Here's a test to those who believe Fox news is biased: How many other news outlets were acting like the watchdogs that journalists are supposed to be when it comes to Van Jones? Check into it, actually do some research, and you will see your vaulted ABC, CBS, New York Times and the like said nothing about him until just recently or until he resigned and then never bothered to point out that the man was a self-proclaimed Communist!
Now that's about as un-American and un-patriotic as it gets yet none of these other news media bothered to do their due diligence (even though the information was but a google search away). So if you are getting and basing your opinions on these sources, you are relying on people who either can't do the job they profess to do or are purposely hiding information they have from you to push an agenda. Either way that is not a trustworthy source in my book.
I tried to listen, but he did not say anything different than before, except when he sort of scolded us for not listening to him, I felt like big brother was mad because I did not agree with him. I thought the high point of the speech was when he was called a liar. I know that it is bad to call someone a liar, but most of the American people are really thinking the same thing and the democrats did say during the campagin that the Bush Administration mislead the American people (nice way of calling a President a liar), so for any person to pretend to be offended at that ourburst would really be a liar (hear that pelosi and biden, you did it during the campagin except it was in an underhanded way and then if you called President Bush a liar you would have to say that everyone in the congress and senate was a liar who voted to go to Iraqi and that includes you both). He did not change my mind in fact I am even more upset at the President than before, because in a way he was telling the American people that either you do it my way or else. Well we gave you this job and we the people can take it away from you just as fast.
@ Waldo Emerson. You poor brainwashed fool.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who disagrees with "Jane." The polls are skewed on any website, tv show, news program etc because the people voting tend to pay attention to the outlet in which they are voting. I don't think Fox viewers are hate-mongers by any means. I have to say that the reporting, get this REPORTING, programs on Fox are more bipartisan than any other I have seen. I don't hate the other side of the isle Jane, I just want to hear another perspective. And if you feel that this poll is something to argue about then tell me why you think the President's speech gave you such a change of heart? Or did it.... If you already agreed with his plan then your answer is still No, isn't it?
Terrific speech, marred only by the stone-faced, infantile Republicans waving their "memo" (which is what it was, as they have produced no plan.) As a moderate, I am now so thoroughly turned off by the Republican Party that I can hardly stand to look at most of them. Appeals to compassion, morality and basic common decency are totally lost on them.
Kudos to Obama...and forget the Republicans. They do not deserve to even be in the same room with someone of your caliber.
Jane, you reinforce the liberal stereotype so well -- attack the dissenters and ignore the issues. It's probably the only way to continue blithely along in your cocoon oblivious to the realities of life.
Yes, my mind was changed somewhat. Now I believe more strongly than ever that we have a narcissitic nut at the helm, aided and abetted by fellow crazies Pelosi, Reid, Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, et. al.
Obama didn't offer any credible explaination of how he intend to pay for this fiasco AND he called Sarah Palin a liar (which she's not).
Don't you people ever get tired of listening to speeches that someone else wrote?
Who is the man behind the curtain?
I remain unconvinced that we need Obamacare.
The President is trying to ram through health care reform without getting all the parties involved. He needs to bring together the insurance companies, drug companies, AMA, congress and the American citizens to hammer out a solution. Health care reform will only work if everyone has input. The Constitution which in the basis for our counties governing is a short document, why can't the health care reform be a swhort and concise document that everyone can read and inderstand.
This government discusses me!! It’s right for the democrats to talk bad about all republicans but they get insulted if someone dares to say something bad about them!
I'm a Spanish woman who came to this country 23 years ago and I fought for what I have now (this is the beauty of USA) you can get where you want to get!! with sacrifices but I feel very proud of myself...15 years ago I worked cleaning offices at nights and now I have my own office and I'm a Sr. Tax Accountant....AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO GIVE ME NOTHING... I motivate myself and I deserve everything that I have because OF ME!!!
So, in another words…if you don’t have something you fight for it, don’t let the government to control your life or give you something for their benefit…fight for you and you will see that at the end..it will be worth it!!
Jane
It takes a ROBOT kool aid drinking brainwashed fool to define Robot. Divisiveness.....where have you been for the last 8 years...oh yeah criticizing the troops,administration and defending the terroist against our interrogation policies. Thats unity and bi-partisim......OhYeah!!!!!! Stop drinking the kool aid it is damaging to the brain not to mention with all the sugar you will gain a TON of weight then you carbon copy will be Huge!!!
Robert,
Your original post said we were a democracy. Even most public school educated Americans know we are not.
By the definition you posted for a republic.
Republic:
political system with elected representatives:
a political system or form of government in which people elect representatives to exercise power for them
Yes, we are not supposed to be a true republic, we are supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. Where our elected representatives are given limited power.
but since both the democrats and republicans have trashed the constitution (usurped more power than granted) we are a republic.
But if you read your post your definition of republic is closer to what our founding fathers wanted for us.
Jane's here for the same reason I am Marv. to watch your party try to save it's butt. it's entertainment value, kind of like going to the circus to watch the clowns.
Julie,
My understanding is that this is a bill that the white house crafted in attempt to bring everyone aboard. How can he be lieing to everyone when we will all expect to see exactly what he has outlined? Did you see how many times both Republicans and Democrats stood up last night? He has everyone in congress and the house snowed? That doesn't make sense.
And yes, note the core prinicpal here of this reform, "Affordable health care". I don't want you uninsured at 20 years old, and you shouldn't want that for yourself either because things happen that you don't expect, as was the case with your emergency visit. Your healthcare should be affordable for you and I and I shouldn't have to see our government get less in taxes because you couldn't afford health insurance and the hospital had to write off what you couldn't pay.
Good speech, very clear. I am not against a public option that is funded by premiums and not taxes, the same way private companies are. If the private companies don't bring the costs down on their own so the people can actually afford it (fat chance of that) then this public option might be good. What's a little competition between companies? As the president said, the public colleges have not put the private colleges out of business. And if the government plan fails, then it will close up shop like any other failed business. I don't see the problem here. If it works well and is successful, then it will be awarded with more business just like any other company, and taxpayers will not be paying for it - that is key.
Dear American people, Don't be fooled! Even if your nature is to give him the benefit of the doubt, DON'T ! Our President speaks with a 'forked tongue.'
LISTEN! Be Cautious! He has a plan! It is a one world govt. that is the final goal. Mr
Obama has an agenda. The agenda doesn't benefit you! IF HE gets this healthcare through,, this will be all he needs to do more and more. Whatever he says, the opposite takes place. He and His wants all people to be the same. But that don't necessarily mean 'good.' That doesn't include the 'elites'.. It goes deeper then that. If it all sounds unbelivable, I understand. And it is happening and being unfolded right before us. I say , don't give in. Stand up for your Freedoms and your Rights!
Look, listen, ignore. Wait wait....Look, hear nothing, ignore. Wait wait one more chance....Look, hear nothing, repeat GOP talking points
That's it. The Faux News team's and throngs of listeners/watchers behavior to all things Obama.
Robert,
Why don't you take the time to visit a VA, government run, hospital sometime and see just how deplorable the conditions are. This is what Obama is trying to cram down the throats of the American people. There are other proposed options out there that won't cost a thing. Negotiated prices for health care for those without is also a good thing, whether you want to believe it or not. There are young people who are healthy, in school and just don't want health care. Why should they be forced into it? Read the proposed bill, visit a VA hospital, live in a country with socialized medicine and then come back and tell me how great Obamacare will be. I have and I guarantee if you get out of your house, so some reading and stop believing the lies of this President you will change your tune.
TO Perseus23 who wrote: "If Healthcare so great why are many Senior Citizens getting there Prescription Medicine from Canada? And why many Americans are going to third World Countries to have life threatening surgery? And if Healthcare system is so great why are the taxpayers paying the Hospital bill for 40 million Americans and illegal immigrants that dont have Health insurance? "
1. Seniors go to Canada for prescriptions because the cost is less. This tells me that their should be some control over the drug companys.... not us.
2. People that go to other countries from America to have surgeries are going because what they want has not been approved here. Our country, unlike others has a system in place that calls for testing etc... to ensure that procedures, treatments and medications are safe.
3. If you believe that you will not pay for the unisured you are sadly mistaken. Think for one moment... medical care is expensive, right? How will those unisured be paid for? By cutting out the waste and fraud in Medicare (as the President noted)? If there is that much waste and fraud in Medicare we are in real trouble. There will be ways you will pay for it... if not in direct taxation then in higher prices for other things because the government will have to get the money from "other sources".
and BTW since when are illegal aliens (they are NOT immigrants) entitled to health insurance in this country?
shif,
Ok, so lets just go with the "we are a republic and not a democracy" statement from you. What exactly is your point in regards to healthcare?
He did lie! People are so brainwashed by Barry Sotero (his real name) it's not funny! When will these people wake up and realize that the POTUS is not a citizen????
I can't wait to vote this bum out!
It actually confirms my overall thinking on the president. He is a socialist and wants control over this country that was founded on freedom. Yes we need some type of reform however, we do not need to "throw the baby out with the bath water" The republicans have a solution however, the socialist that Obama listens to.. do not want to hear it. We have the best health care in the world, we need to fix what is broken with it not let the government take it over.
There was nothing in that speech that was completely truthful.
Any open-minded person can see that.
Obama is a snake oil salesman. He's got nothing but BS.
Buyer beware!
Robert,
Fact check I am not 20 years old anymore, I am out of college, out of the military and working for a company who currently offers health care. When I was young and in college, I didn't need it. I also was stationed in two countries who had nationalized health care and it was the pits, even though I was in the military. Obama has not written one single sentence on health care. He left that up to Pelosie and the other in Congress. Why should be people be forced into system they don't want to be in and then fined if they don't. READ THE BILL.
I'm tired of being frightened of our own government and their constant meddling in our daily lives. It just is not right. Had a small business, had is the key word, taxes and the housing bust put us out of business. We employed 3, now they are looking for work, we are too. The democrat congress in the last 4 years of Bush worked against the president and the people, that first posting by Jane is a hoot, too bad she wasn't saying the same thing during the last four years. I am an independent, neither party does what they say they will. I say throw them all out and put in folks from the great unwashed and unheard of this country. I would like to see the complete bill the folks up there want us to sign on to.
Mr. Unreal,
I thought your comment about being a class act was an ironical joke seeing as you are name calling and whatnot. Speaking of education, maybe you should look into things a little, and if you don't want to work that hard listen to the President who even said that many Republicans have plans on the table or interesting ideas to add to what has already been proposed. There are Republican healthcare ideas out there but they haven't been spread by the majority of liberal media. Where's your head? You forgot to think before you spoke, if you even have that capacity.
Same old crap once more. I would still like to know how he pland on paying for all of this. If he can stop the fraud and waste in Medicare/Medicade then why hasn't that already been done?
I had to comment on the two goof balls in the background, Biden and Pelosi. All the brilliant people in the US and we have to look at these two ignorant people! The President certainly doesn't have to worry about being overshadowed by Biden. Everytime I hear Joe Biden he sounds like a spoof of himself from Saturday Night Live. He doesn't have the finess I would expect of the Vice President. And Pelosi never seems to keep up on the news. Either that or she is being updated by someone who isn't hearing the full story because she appears to be uninformed. Hilary would have made a better Speaker of the House. At least she gets her facts straight and doesn't act like she is the queen, all powerful. She is just a puppet.
Robert,
you said:
WE ARE THE ONLY WEALTHY DEMOCRATIC NATION THAT ALLOWS OUR OWN PEOPLE TO GO WITHOUT BASIC HEALTHCARE.
The speech was too long and too sallow. No matter how many times the President tries to sale his big government take over it's not going to work. The Speaker was right when she said we need to drain the swamp and I say that we vote them all out starting with Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Julie,
this is exactly the "scare tactics" that drove Obama to speak last night.
He said it twice, "This plan will not cause you to change insurance or doctors".
Government is not going to be running hospitals. Goverment IS going to be holding insurance companies accountable.
Accountable to not drop people when they need the coverage, to not deny people on pre-existing conditions, to not raise rates unfairly.
I, however, can absolutely 100% agree with you that some of those government ran facilities for our veterans are ridiculously appauling. Our veterans should be thrown on pedestals for what they endure protecting all of us and the treatment I've seen them get is maddening.
People should be forced into insurance the same reason we are all forced to pay social security. At one point in ones life everyone is going to need healthcare, or they will know someone they care about that needs it. It affects ALL americans. You gave a perfect reason why "healthy" people need insurance. because when you healthy folks don't have it, and then end up in the emergency room, we all end up paying for you through reduced taxation b/c hospitals had to WRITE OFF your fees that you didn't or couldn't pay.
There is NOTHING good about having to negociate down prices. Why should a doctor have to take less for his valuable services b/c you didn't have the money? or Because you were "healthy"" and thought you didn't need insurance?
Take the blinders off Julie, we are the wealthiest "republic" and are ranked 38th in the world for health care. 38th!! We can do better than this. We as americans deserve better than that.
Hard to believe that many posters on here are still spouting the old "We have the best health care system in the world" crap. Have any of you bothered to see where the U.S. ranks in the World Health Organizations rankings for the industrialized world? We rank a pitiful 37th!! 37th!! Absolutely disgraceful for this country to rank below places like Costa Rica in health care quality. We don't do any better in life expectancy either. Get a grip, folks. Who's being bamboozled??
Hey,
I did not get to see his speech and there is no way in hades it could have changed my mind. Everybody wake up and together we can put a stop to all the non-cents. Leadership is fine, but when it is done for personal gains and
recognition that's not right. The Constitution of the United States of America
did not get us this far for us to allow junk to be crammed down our throats!
* Why is it on all our money "In GOD WE TRUST"?? Answer that Mr President!!!!! Maybe that can be changed too, in a COLD DAY in _ _ _ _ !
How many more unspecific Obama speeches will we have to suffer through while we wait to hear SPECIFICS of how he plans to pay for this?
DEFEAT THIS NOW!!!!
It will make defeating cap-n-tax a little easier!
DO IT FOR YOUR KIDS! They'll thank you for it!
People like Jane dont seem to understand we do respect the presidency but at this time it is hard to respect a man who cares only for his own adgenda. He is pushing for something without thought to are we able to pay for it much less where will we find quality doctors to take care of everyone. We have a great healthcare system that just needs some tweeks not a overhaul to be like some systems that are proven failures. Lets back up and slow down and make the right move for everyone and above all we need representation that will read and know what they are voting for and not just follow on blind faith>
I wittnessed Hannity lieing and twisting what the president said to fit the Fox agends. The GOP will agin be on the wrong side of history. The GOP will be shrinking into just a wimper. God bless the president. And oh by the way , Carter is smiling because Bush is the worst president ever!
shif,
exactly. Your at it again? Simply repeating what was typed by me with no debate or your own personal insight.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident?" Is that your point?
I hope what's happening here is that your realizing that your points are few and far between.
OMg Health Care dont need to be fixed? People are so stupid! We got Doctors Nurses and 40 million uninsured Americans suffering because of the current Health Care system. America needs health care reform. I just thank god Obama is running the show and not the dumb George Bush. And those that say Obama is not a citizen are the same people that voted for George Bush twice and still think that we needed to invade Iraq. Stop being hateful and racist towards Obama and start arguing the real issues.
Same old crap once more. I would still like to know how he plans on paying for all of this. If he can stop the fraud and waste in Medicare then why hasn't that already been done?
Aaron,
I understand your confusion, however, I don't think that people are being "bamboozled" into thinking our healthcare is great. I haven't heard a single educated person argue that. Point being, only UNeducated people are saying that. You have to learn to pick your battles.
And about your previous "moderate" status... I don't think it was very sound if a few frustrated Republicans shattered it into liberalism.
Obama is a liar, a racist, a divider, and no leader. All those in Congress were paid to be there by us. Our small communities are struggleing to keep parks and playgrounds open. To buy uniforms for our schools. And all of these congress gather stand up when o talks, and they make sure the money goes to special interest groups. I say get rid of the entire government and start over by state to state Are you listening politicians? There is a new statement out in America... We want Ameerica back and we aren't payingfor pork. Obama wants this to pass because it would be worth billions of dollars
and another step to dismantle America. He didn't teach Alinsky's radical rules for nothing, that is how him and thugs operate.
Stick to the subject. Do you want gov. run healthcare at any level or not?
Not on my watch.
To Robert:
Another brainwashed liberal, government ran healthcare is a moronic plan. Look at Canada, England and others. Ofcourse I'm wasting my breath talking to a supporter of the "Obama God".
I would just like to say that Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly are COMMENTATORS not news reporters. Their shows discuss news but are not THE news, just like liberal counterparts like Jon Stewart.
By the way, we need crazies on both sides to come to a middle.
Nicholas
And thank God for the 10% Preachers and 40% educated Christians who voice their views
I miss Ron.
I miss George.
Hell, after last night, I miss Jimmy!
What I don't get is how come it's ok and no one questioned the cost of a preemptive war but it's such a problem to spend less than that in covering American's health care? Plus, did anyone hear "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it". What's not free about it? Ah I know, forcing everyone to have healthcare it's taking away their freedom. That is because most people don't realize they are already paying for the healthcare of the uninsured with their taxes. Just stop being so selfish and self-centered. Are we not in the richest country in the world? The most powerful country in the world? But yet, we let people that need healthcare go without because we don't do anything to reign in the greed of heallthcare companies. Sure, this is America and free enterprise should prosper... but greed is another thing... it's so stupid to defend a system that is only benefiting corporations. Not small business. But big corporations. Most of you are blinded by the illusion that you're losing freedoms when they're already lost... if you've had any serious medical issue and carry a standard insurance, you know that when it's time to pay, your insurance company will do whatever they can not to pay... wake up. The real issue here is that you're controlled by big corporations that decide what eat, what you do, what you watch and yes whether you can live or not... and big government it trying to take advantage of the people... really? because big corporations aren't. They're just so nice and kind to all of us. Wake up!
Julie,
Ok, responding to your fact check:
1. Yes I figured the example you gave was some time ago. You seem to be missing my point. When you were 20 years old you thought you didn't need insurance, but YOU DID. You did b/c you had a 7,000 accident that you could only afford to pay 2000 of. You should of been insured then, just like you are now, even though you were healthy. Why? because accidents happen.
2. Read the bill you say.
Tell me what you disagree with:
Insurance companies can't deny you on pre-existing conditions
Insurance companies can't hick rates on you.
No American will ever go bankrupt again b/c they got sick (cap on max charges)
Insurance companies can't dump you in the middle of treatment.
A not-for-profit insurance company will offer Americans coverage to ensure profit insurance companies don't run rampid in insurance rate hikes.
Insurance companies have to pay a fee for any policy costing more than 8,000/year.
Coverage for those that CANNOT afford it.
What in the world is SO wrong with this reform? What are all of the sleeping dragons in this bill that will absolutely destroy everything good in our existing health care system?
Please, dump some facts out. And if all you have is that "healthy people are forced to buy insurance they don't need" I only need to point you to your own personal example that you DID need it when you thought you didn't b/c ACCIDENTS happen.
Julie,
If you were in the military... what contact did you have with the health care system in the countries you were stationed in?
My husband was in the army, we were stationed in Germany. Any medical care we needed was provided for by the Army. We had Army doctors and Army hospitals... and the only cost we paid was a daily charge for our meals if we were hospitalized.
So I don't understand how you had any experience with the health care systems in the countries you were stationed in.
Blah blah blah... same ignorant tripe from the Obama lemmings. Have you by any chance perused the CNN comments section and marveled at the ignorance and group think there? No, of course not - because they think like you stupid, un-American twits.
Obama is a lying, empty suited sack of garbage and while healthcare reform is neccesary this is just an effort to grab more power and unionize more of the country. You idiots who keep worshipping at the false alter of Obama already look foolish to MOST OF THE COUNTRY - particularly when you spout the inane stupidity that an 'overwhelming majority of American voted for Obama', not even almost close to true. A small majority of REGISTERED VOTERS voted for him, but only 21% of the population voted for this moron!
***Jane - Any poll on Fox is a joke. Robots walking in lockstep. Repubs piling on with glee, fortified by hate and divisiveness. No respect for the Presidency. I hope the terrorists aren't watching, I'm sure they feel it would be much easier to attack a divided country. Repubs are the most non-patriotic members of our society.***
Jane - are you insane?...everyone should have the respect for the Presidency, just not Obama. He doesn't deserve respect for the lies he's been telling this country! His liberal style of politics is what is destroying this country and causing division. Republicans are the most patriotic people in this country b/c they aren't trying to shutdown the war and give up! Patriotism means love and devotion to one's country...this means not causing division as your statement, "Repubs are the most non-patriotic members of our society" is representing. You're blaming everything upon the republicans...that is causing division.
The crooks in Congress, the House, the Senate, and the White House has destroyed this country more since January...
Where is Reagan when we need him...
God help and bless this country!
Any poll on CNN is a joke. Robots walking in lockstep. Dem asses piling on with glee, fortified by hate and divisiveness. No respect for the Presidency. I hope the terrorists aren't watching, I'm sure they feel it would be much easier to attack a divided country. Dem asses are the most non-patriotic members of our society.
Now this is the real truth, CNN doesn't even put a poll on that you can answer the way you want too. Just think how the Democrats downgraded President Bush, he wasn't surronded by the terrorists advisors like Obama is.
I agree ...vote em all out ...our Government is one huge convoluted quagmire of muck!!!!!
Kay,
I by no means think Obama is god. What a ridiculous statement to make. The liberal label doesnt fit, although I do agree that anyone that supports Obama is UNFAIRLY labeled a liberal. Did you watch the speech last night by chance Kay? What do you say of all your republican brethern that stood up with democrats yesterday and applauded what the president had to say? Were they also brainwashed?
Listen, if you wan to debate facts, spit them out, lets hear it. But this soundbyte "your a liberal" crab is elementary. It's a safe place to run when your out of facts. don't run there.
You maybe an extreme conservative, so what? It's america. I still think you should have access to basic healthcare. I still believe that, even if we differ on opinion, there is NO american that deserves to be commoditized by our current health care structure. I mean, did you hear that example of a breast cancer patient that was denied coverage b/c they didn't report a case of acne? Is that the America you want to live in?
Robert,
You ask what is wrong with health care reform? Nothing, except that HR3200 isn't health care "reform" it is health care restructuring.
Reform to me would be, controlling the drug companies outrageous costs to the public, tort reform, stopping the "waste and fraud", stop the pre-exsisting illness exclusions, allowing interstate purchase of health insurance etc.. Having people of lower incomes buy into the Medicaid system....
In HR 3200 there is none of that.....
Newsflash: Republicans LOST the election. Big time!
A big majority of Americans voters voted for president Obama knowing he wanted health care for every American. America is about democracy. He was elected and he is doing what he said he was going to do.
Just because you don't like the outcome of the election it doesn't mean you get to boycott change.
This seems more and more truly about deep seeded racism. He won. President Barack Hussein Obama won. If you're really a patriot you should respect your president even if you think he is not the right color.
I respected President George W. Bush and I didn't think he had the right brain.
Watching President Obama's speech scares me even more today then I was the day he was elected. I am a health care worker. Our doctors have no protection. Our society is a sue happy society. Our health are is so expensive because of "ambulance chasers". We do not need a government ran health care system. It does not work. Stop allowing our doctors to be sued for non-sense reasons. This will allow doctors to practice medicine the way it should be practiced. If this health care reform goes through, we as patients will have no say so in our health care decision. The government will tell us who we will see, what test we will have done, and what medications we can take. You think we have a shortage of nurses and doctors now see what happens if this plan goes through.
Also, the threats that if someone disagrees with Mr. Obama will be called out. Well, Mr. Obama I will stand by any congress member that stands out against what you are trying to pass. Please call me out. Call it what you want Mr. Obama. I call it socialism.
Now now, folks. Let's not pile on Jane. She is just another one of those 'educated' supporters of Obama's we saw so much of after he won... you know, jumping up and down about how Obama was going to buy her a house and a car and she wouldn't have to pay for food anymore. Don't blame her for being too stupid and for having her head buried so far in the sand she can't see that the hate and intolerance she rails against IS COMING FROM HER AND HER ILK!
Anyone who has disagreed with Obama (ie. most of the country) has been attacked as a racist, evil monger, etc. It seems these lemmings only find it patritotic to 'respect' the presidency when it's their false messiah who is president. These are the same classless liars who called Bush every name in the book and jusitifed it.
well people how can we trust,his words when he talks like his reading a non fiction book,no emotion at all in his words SAME OLE SAME OLE,I think we need some good old people in our white house,down to earth,some folks that no how to run business,and better yet a saver( YOU KNOW LIKE MONEY) Lawyers need to be in a court room not running our country, we will pay you when or if we need you, the smartest people in our world are the trusted.caring.money savers and most of all love there country and all there people :) god please bless us all
AND THAT'S a BIG "HELL NO"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Please, I have had enough, if I see Obamas face on T.V. one more time i am going to vomit. Did anyone take alook at Michelle, not happy, aaaaahhhhh.
The entire speech was delivered well. That's about the only thing that Obama does well--make speeches. It was filled with double talk and was very misleading. He is saying one thing but his congress is doing something else. His leadership ability is next to nothing.
He did great! He's gonna take the whole system and run it single handedly without tax increases and without rationing. Basically he's gonna follow the Cuban model and put street sweepers and prisoners in white coats, call them Doctors and let 'em loose! Obama will save us all.
BTW Robert,
There were plenty of moments when our "republican brethran" didn't stand up to applaud the President.... They stood when there was a reason to stand... they sat when the President put forth more rhetoric.
Congressman Joe Wilson said it best in his kneejerk reaction. That YOU LIE comment was the Hail Mary in the last sections of a Superbowl. And I was the Ref in the endzone with my arms in the air. TOUCHDOWN.
A true american HONEST politician? Imagine that!
KUDOS Congressman Wilson.
Death panel=Bureaucrat who will decide if you are worthy of the health insurance that you need. For the elderly, my suggestion is NOT to become ill. You will be left to "fade to black". Is that sensitive enough far left??
He had the same attitude--I don't care what the people want---I WANT this and I Will have it--no matter what the AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT:-(
Same old crap from obama and the same old racist crap from the morons who support this joker.
In my opinion... I do not trust ANYTHING Obama says anymore.
I have lost all faith in this Obama administration due to the constant bombardment of non-factual and baseless programs they want leading us to socialism. The only way Obama can EARN my trust back is to scrap the current 1400 page bill.... GET RID OF MEDICARE and MEDICAID FRAUD NOW... then once the corruption and fraud in those agencies are fixed.. Obama MUST mandate that Drug companies SHALL immediately STOP advertizing drugs and that money instead be diverted to the "GAP" in mediare prescription coverage...... then and only then... can we START to reform Health cCare and Health Insurance.
WOW... Jane nicely said about respect for the President!!! .. but where was your outrage when DEMS were screaming and calling President Bush a liar??? The Dems are prvoing to be over reaching and are paying the price for it. Where is the transparency the President promised.... ?
To Robert:
The point YOU are missing is that the public option will eventually eliminate the insurance companies, this has been proven many times before. AND GOVERNMENT RAN HEALTH CARE DOES NOT WORK TO OUR BENEFIT. The government does not belong in healthcare. Read the constitution.
I heard nothing new and find it discusting that Nancy Pelosi sits with that disingenuous grin, jumping up everytime the President hits a mutual chord with her crazy views.
Bashing cable TV and radio shows does not make friends with his "tell me nothing new" speach. All he stressed is trust me and everyone else is lying.
Sorry, i like my healthcare, don't want the government telling my employer that they can either pay a fine or continue to offer a company paid plan and leave me with some poor crap of a public health plan. It won't work and will be similar to every other government run agency, none of them work.
This is misleading “Did the president’s speech change your mind on health care?” Making “no” seem as though someone is against the bill! I feel bad for anybody who believes anything Fox news says. Scary I say…
The pres totally ignored the people who raised cain at the townhall meetings - does he not realize alot of people DID NOT vote for this inexperienced organizer? He should at least acknowledge this considerable amount of voters. Instead he "ticks us off" as not important. DO NOT pass this insane bill.
The sound-bite I really liked was ".... spreading lies .... we will call you out ....". My first thought was .... Pelosi is in real trouble now! But then I woke up and realized "lies" ment "truths we don't want talked about".
Keep up the great work.
/paul
When is my free car coming to my free house with my free doctor in it? Obama said that was gonna happen and I believe him 100%
The only person telling the truth last night during his speech was the Represenitive from South Carolina! He has the biggest balls in Congress, and I would re-elect him in a heartbeat! It's time to start speaking up! This health care bill is full of crap!
I don't know who Jane is that left a name calling comment, but she is the problem with this country. Talk about unpatriotic. Doesn't she watch the news and get both sides. How can you not see what Obama and his cronies are doing to this country. If the people in congress and the White House really want to fix the health care problem in this nation what they should do first is fix the fraud that is happening in Medicare and Medicaid. And then fix social security and not allow congress to put their hands into it anymore. If the people who are for this healthcare plan why is it that their democratic leaders refuse to go on it? Let alonw, anyone else in Congress. If this so called great health care plan that they want to shove down the throats of this country, shouldn't congress and all of the officials in the White House and their familes be put on it first to see how it works?
We Independents have not drank the Obama cool aid the new speech did not
change the same old heath care bill that them people have been push down the American tax payer throat from the beginning ( poultry is just anther way of saying chicken) . This county have nerver been this divided sense the civil war
we need the clean house in our government as Pres.George W Bush said after 9-11 your with use or against us there is neutral ground in this WAR.
It's a shame that in the greatest Country in the history of the world, people die because they can not afford health care! It's a shame that most Republicians care so little about their fellow citizens that they can say, "No one helped me, why should I help them." So strange! I am one Republician that believes with my whole heart that health care should be for EVERY AMERICAN, and the American government should insure that it happens!
We have government run health care for our military and veterans, Medicare for our seniors, Medical for the indigent, and government funded medical care for children, We have government run Military, Fire protection, Police protection, Public Transit......, Schools, and Prisons. Why not healthcare for the people not covered? Prisoners and the Poor get free healthcare. Why not the rest of us?
This President will "call you out"???? Are you kidding me!!
Jane - based on your comment, then when the dems had our Country with their hate and divisivness, they caused the terrorist attacks we experienced? You are a nut job who can't handle the fact that Americans will fight with everything we have to keep these guys in D.C. from turning our Country into a communist or socialist nation. Not on OUR watch!!
Barrack is a great speaker? “NO” I would call him a verbal exhibitionist.
He uses his vocal cords like an artist to paint you a lovely picture..
Could there be impeachment for ignorance in direction he is sending our country?
My God, I want change Barrack not destruction of our democracy. I hope and pray you don’t succeed in this spiral.
If impeachment would stop you like ice water down your back, I hope you get a cold back soon.
Jim
What a poll.. This huge "NO" number includes me.... me feeling about health care reform hasn't changed.... I'm in favor of the Obama health plan, so the huge no response is pretty meaningless.
Hell No! He didin't change my mind. Just more slick liberal lies disguised in a his pretty rhetoric. I will admit that the ability to communicate is an extremely important part of leadership. He does speak well. His problem is the substance of everything that he is lying to communicate... I mean trying to communicate.
Thanks be to the President who pointed out how much money we spent in Iraq. Do you Republicans, who helped set up universal health care in Iraq and fund it billions with U. S. dollars not feel a little hypocritical when Obama suggests we at least end the insurance industry's terrible treatment of the U. S. citizen.
Watched the health care show (yes, I called it a show because it dealt in make-believe) and continue to realize that the President lacks the ability to listen. Listening with an open mind is a skill that is difficult to acquire and the President needs some listening training.
Using words (or manipulating the English language) to try to convince me that I did not hear what I actually heard disrespects me and every American. Not critizing liberal Democrats who spent the summer months calling American voters names was wrong. Pretending to take the trial lawyers to task was just another vocal ploy.
Come on Mr. President: step back and realize that you are supposed to be the President of the United States not the President of the left wing. When you come back with some credibility then I will listen.
Obama....don't have sense enough to pour piss out of a boot...including the ones on his boat.
Did anyone hear the JackAss fart on T V last night? It didn't amount to much. Kinda stunk though.
Using FoxNews polls are like going to Michael Moore's website for Fair and Balanced information.
Obama hit a homerun last night, Healthcare reform is more about keeping jobs in the U.S.. Republicans keep complaining about the high un-employment number but once again don't want to fix the problem. Corporations have moved all their Head-Quarters oversea so they don't have to use the current U.S. Healthcare system. The U.S. can't compete with countries that have full blown Universal Healthcare.
Republican congressmen showed NO CLASS at all last night !
H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
I agree it was the same old song and dance. Blaming the past administration. Was not Obama part of the Senate when these issues came up. What did he do in the Senate to change things? Jane I am appalled of what you said. Are you an American. Don't you think that was inapprporiate? Funny how other news shows have on the people that support the issues. Fox is more fair and balanced.
HE FAILED TO ANSWER HONESTLY HOW THIS PROGRAM WILL BE PAID FOR.
AS A CHRISTIAN I STRONLY OPPOSE ABORTION AND I FEEL HE IS TRYING
TO RAM THIS DOWN MY THROAT WITH NATIONAL HEALTH CARE. THEY KEEP
"DANCING AROUND" THIS ISSUE. I AM HAPPY WITH MY HEALTH COVERAGE
AND I RESENT THE GOVENMENT TRYING TO FORCE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
TO TAKE ON A HUGE INCREASE IN THE NATIONAL DEBT.
Just more of the same... lies... deception......continuing attempt to take our rights away and institute what he believes in...SOCIALISM.
DOUG PETERS said: "This is misleading “Did the president’s speech change your mind on health care?” Making “no” seem as though someone is against the bill! "
Now how in the world did you come up with THAT one????? Man, you need therapy.
I am with you Jane. Thanks for speaking out.
Obama is our "Teleprompter President."
He never has anything substantive, just a stirring performance with crap.
He is a performer.
Who then is in charge?
Last night's speech was the same speech he's given over and over again. Either he has not read HR3200 or he thinks American people are stupid! Of course, in his narcissistic mind, NO ONE is as smart as he!
He accuses Congressmen, talk show hosts, etc. of lies - but he is the one who is lying about this bill. Perhaps he thinks we're too stupid to read, but MANY of us have read this bill and the only ones who think it's a good bill are those who WANT to be dependent on the government...my suggestion for these people? Get outta 'Dodge!' America was built and grew strong on independent, strong citizens who do for themselves. If those who want Socialism don't like this country, there is a simple solution for them...they have NO right to destroy this country - we can ship them all to Cuba or Venezuela! Let them live under tyranny for a while. Exile them - along with every member of Congress who is working 'under the radar' to destroy our Constitution. If you don't like the thought of working for what you have, then we don't want you here...you have NO RIGHT to destroy this nation! YOU ARE BOUND by the Constitution!
And WE, THE PEOPLE WANT OUR FREE COUNTRY BACK!
I think it is about time someone called obama on the stuff he is spewing-maybe it was the wrong place to do it but I said it at home. Trash this 3200 bill and start over with tort reform and let us keep what we have. All or most people that get laid off has the right to cola insurance coverage-the reason they don't do it is it costs money-right? who is going to pay when people get laid off with this plan-we the people-nobody is stating that-if people got coverage while laid off and repaid the cost in payments etc it would be a different deal. Absolutly no to 3200 bill-start over.
All you Obama fans can't be serious, still supporting. I would go hide my face if I were you.
Obama is such a liar. Look at all the things he said campaigning. No lobbist, no special interest in his administration. He is nothing but a joke as a president. We live this kind of politics in Illinois everyday. Once a liar always a liar. He is runing this country. I said when he was campaiging he wanted to try this country into a communist country and this is another way of doing that. The banks were first, then the car companies, now health care and then what's next. Wake up people.
Unfortunately, our president defines “Pathological Narcissism”. He continues to turn his back on the American People, and those who may just have the better idea. I look forward to 2012.
obama is full of lies, just like he is full of crap. america wake up and stop him before it is to late.
To what could those voting YES be responding? Were they hoping they would finally hear details and are disappointed that it was just another campaign speech? Have they now read the bill and realize that he still spews the same untruths about this bill? Are they distressed that he has now lowered the Presidential office to the level of denigrating others? What does that YES vote mean?
Waldo and the rest of you Obama lovers...get your head out of the sand....this isn't about dems or rep...this is about the American values...or what once was...Instead its about people who have lost their pride in taking care of their own bussniess, raising their kids to do the same...we have a give me give me society....take care of me on the backs of of those who really work for what they get and are responsible for their own actions. Typical of us all "its always someone elses fault...the blame game" this is not a solution to the problem it is the problem....I want Uncle Sam out of my bussness not telling me how to live.
This is not about health care reform, they (obama and the left) want total control of the country. The true intent behind this legislation is socialism and a continued democratic entitlement for those who support them. Social Security and Medicare are both doomed at current benefit levels, addding another massive entitlement program will only continue to degrade the current fiscal condition of the nation. The nation cannot afford this type of deficit spending to fund programs that are not sustainable.
Jane's comments are exactly whats wrong and causes polarization with political parties. I'm a republican that voted for Obama. She tends to categorize 'all" republicans as she does Fox News as well. There are some legitimate issues at stake here, and this may very well be the social issue of this century in America. I agree with Obama that something needs to be done. Insurance Companys have had free reign for too long. What I did not hear in the Presidents Speech was what he was going to do about out of control cost imposed by Hospitals, Doctors, and Pharmaceutical Companies. Until this becomes part of the plan health care cost will continue to rise and we will all suffer, whether there is a public option or not. Come on Jane address the issues and stop stereotyping groups, political parties, and Fox News.
"The people" of United states want this bill passed...
I've supported the efforts of universal healthcare. With H1N1 being such a big issue, one would expect the need for universal healthcare. God forbid someone or their child who has insurance to become gravely ill or dies from this or another contagious disease. And, the disease or virus was passed along from a person who has NO insurance. Especially when, the illness could've been prevented or treated had that person had insurance to get treated. Think about it!!!
Oh so much constructive thought goes into most of these comments...
Does anyone here read/listen to news elsewhere? I think most don't. FOXians are Americans but most Americans aren't FOXians (unless American Idol is on...).LOL
You'all have healthcare? I think psychiatry should be covered by your healthcare plans...
Just posted by another peron:
"This seems more and more truly about deep seeded racism. He won. President Barack Hussein Obama won. If you're really a patriot you should respect your president even if you think he is not the right color."
This has nothing to do with race. I did not agree with President Bush on many issues and there were times I did not respect him. And at times I did not respect President Clinton. I do not respect President Obama and what he is doing to our great country. Open your eyes and stop trying to make this a racial issue.
I would really like for Obama to stop talking so much and do something besides blame Bush, accuse everyone of lying who disagree with him, and try to cover up what he is really doing. I am really sick of turning on my TV and seeing him making another speech. I cannot believe how many crooks are in the White House now and no one seems to care except Fox News. No other president could have ever gotten away with the kinds of things he has done and is still doing and be lauded for in the mainstream media.
Patrick Mans said "A big majority of Americans voters voted for president Obama "
Either you're a liar or stupid, you decide which. Obama did not receive a majority support from Americans - he received a slight majority of REGISTERED VOTERS, 66 million out of 300+ million isn't anywhere near a majority. Why do you empty headed Obummer worshippers continue to spout this same pathetic lie - do you honestly think most Americans are unaware of the fact that they didn't support Obama? Heck, he was so inspirational ONLY 40% of registered voters polled for him, FORTY PERCENT OF REGISTERED VOTERS - again, hardly a majority of Americans - he did however receive a slight majority of BALLOTS CAST... which is far and away different than the majority of Americans.
To put this another way, since facts seem a bit elusive to Obama and his minions, 60% of registered voters either voted for McCain or NOT AT ALL.
Obama's empty suited lies, his foolish naivete, and the fact that the media refused to vet him meant MOST AMERICANS REFUSED TO SUPPORT HIM.
Who cares what the 40% of registered voters (ie. 21% of the population) want? They tend to be whiney and lean toward more government control of their lives... are you saying you can't make it without the government controlling your life? Figures!
I actually listened to his whole speech and liked what he said this time. He cleared up a lot of the things I've been hearing, or at least addressed them directly. I thought It was a good speech in that it helped to clarify what he is trying to accomplish. I only hope he'll do his best to follow through. I didn't vote for him and am reluctant to even listen to most politicians half the time, however I get the feeling he at least means well. Which is what I liked about Bush 1 and 2.
Goofballs, you elected an idiot, idiot is, idiot does? It goes both ways.
He didn't change my mind towards health care. Everything he was saying was known as Washington Doubletalk. Why can't the goverment try and work with insurance companies and let the people buy it like car insurance. That's the way it's done in some countries. I've read some of the little gems in his package, and there's alot of things the President said that wasn't true. Even if alot of the american people are not polaticians we are not dumb.
Obama will fix Health Care whether Republicans like it or not. The bottom line is the Republican party has decline thanks to Bush. And now you have the far right doing what they can to trash everything Obama says and do. whether its the school speech to young kids or him being a racist even if he is half white, to Health Care reform that America desperately needs. America has always produce great leaders during troubling times we had Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Reagan and now we have Obama. Thank God for Obama
I agree with my fellow patriots, same BS and NO concrete ways of fixing what's broke and leaving what works alone. All the people I know have worked hard for what we have with NO government help. Now the government seems to think that people are too stupid to make decisions by themselves. They are just perpetuating their own political office so they don't have to work like the rest of America. Keep up the good work Fox News. God bless you ALL.
EVERY REPUBLICAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET including Hannity, Palin, Bush, Limbaugh, and Ronald Reagan would not be where they are at today without the help of the U.S. government. Not a single republican has ever done anything on their own. Without the infrastructure of the U.S. government and the sweat of past Americans, republicans would be extinct right now.
GET OVER YOURSELVES ! You did nothing on your own !
Last nights speech again was the same old political speech. I've seen Obamo
too many times on tv, you can tell from his speeches that he wants to CONTROL . He has such unique ways in trying to make Americans appear to ignorant an uneducated .
'Did the speech change my mind on health care?' is a weak question if you are sincerely looking for opinion. Are you assuming everyone taking the pole was/is against the President's health care plan? I am grateful for President Obama and his speech did NOT change my mind so should I join the other 90% in your pole so you can promote the idea that all americans agree with FOX news? Just Asking!
to the one that wants once again, play the race card...I am black. and am apoled to the fact that ...Obama gets the grand title of " the first African American Pres. He is half black and half white. He is not our first African American pres...he is our first bi- racial pres. So get off the racial card..have you nothing better to say then using that as a come back.
If you listned to what Obama said now,Before it was 47 plus million uninsuried,now it's down to 30 million.Why can't America see this Obama guy is really a con artist.He dosen't know what he's selling,but can sure talk about it.Look at what the Dems have done with America when they get a chance at power.Shame on America!
Just because Obama is a wonderful speaker...DOES NOT mean that he is saying anything!
No free health care for illegal immigrants, yeah right! Just go to any ER and look around, they are already sucking up free services - health care, education, and legal services.
Although the speech was about health care, I must comment on Obama eagerness to cute the pay of the federal employee from a measly 2.4% to 2.0%! That includes the MILITARY!
So, we are not being taxed to pay for the wasteful bailouts, but our bonuses are being cut. Interesting, CEOs still got their million dollar bonuses and I'm sure Congress will too!
CHANGE without a forethought is GROSS negligence!
THE DEMYS IN THE LAST 2 YRS WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE RAN THE HOUSE. BARNEY FRANK IN MY OPENIONAND PELOSI ARE JUST AS MUCH FAULT FOR THE HOUSING MARKET FALL . THEY KNEW AND AS FAR AS THE SPEECH THE PRESIDENT IN MY OPENION IS NOT THERE FOR THE PEOPLE AS HE CLAIMS HE THERE FOR CONTROL. THE ILLEGAL IMGRANTS WE WILL BE PAYING FOR THERE HEALTHCARE HE WILL SEEK IT IN THE BACK DOOR. OH BY THE WAY YOU KNOW RANGEL WHO HELPS MAKE OUR TAX LAWS . HES STILL THERE AND HE HAS NOT PAID HIS TAXES WHATS UP WITH THAT. AND FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW HE IS GOING TO TRY AND PASS A LAW ON DEATH TAX FOR US TO PAY 55% OF OUR ESTATESWHEN WE ARE GONE IN 2010. HE WANTS TO MAKE IT PERMAMENT. SO DONT FORGET TO VOTE REPEAL ON THE BILL.
The President is a great orator with beautifully crafted words and lofty sounding ideas. The problem comes when you peel back the high minded words and look at the nuts and bolts of the thing. There is no way a government that hasn't been able to fight government fraud and waste in ANY of it's social programs is going to be able to "save" money fighting fraud and waste to help pay for the new program. Government, by it's very size and nature, is inefficient. Some that's that huge can't help it. Along with inefficientcy comes departmental entrenchment and the little kingdoms that come with it. It's the usually government rob Peter, smoke and mirrors ideas. Can't we just get real about costs, efficiency and where the true need is.
The president made a beautiful gesture to bi-particianship last night, but refused to meet with the Republican leadership when they sent him a letter expressing their willingness to set down with him and discuss their ideas on healthcare reform. Yes, the Republicans do have healthcare reform ideas, but you would never know it if you depended on only a few outlets for your information. I personally believe that most of their ideas should be given a go to see if they'll work. That would be the fair way of doing things. If it didn't, go back to pouring money down a black hole.
Reading some of the blogs, I noticed that those on the left are much nastier personally than those on the right. I wonder why... It's one thing to attack an idea, completely another to attack people.
I think someone has misguided thoughts in regards to non patriotic republicans. Turning our economy into monopoly money with a growing debt will finally cause our great country to stumble if not fall. Hmmm, I wonder what the terrorists would rather face ? A country concerned over important issues yet strong or one who has a credit rating in the 500 to the rest of the world. Im sure the world will always have our best interests and be there when we need them.
BO is so arrogant, Last night he was angry and divisive, if it wasn't for the town hall meetings , the dems would have passed this obamacare in August. It is not over, AS AMERICANS we need to continue to make our voices heard. Thomas Jefferson wrote A GOVERMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT IS STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE! STEPHEN
BO is so arrogant, Last night he was angry and divisive, if it wasn't for the town hall meetings , the dems would have passed this obamacare in August. It is not over, AS AMERICANS we need to continue to make our voices heard. Thomas Jefferson wrote A GOVERMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT IS STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE! STEPHEN
This is the worst president, I have seen in all my years as a voter. Even Clinton didn't call those in congress a liar at least he didn't durning a speech to congress on national tv. Too bad that Obama believes that everyone must believe everything he says is law. Since congress & the white house are to good for this health care they want us all to have, why then is it good enough for us. For the president to say there were no death panels is a out right lie, because it is in the house bill as well as health care for illegals. Can't this man read, Oh I guess he can't he did not read the stimulis or ombulus bills before he signed them into law. And that is a fact.
He is either a liar or he has not read the bill. Ignorance or dishonesty...one of the two...neither are characteristics we should have in a president.
President Obama's speech on health care was an attempt to further Big Government on the american taxpayers.People are waking up and the Mirage of Change is being seen through by the American people.The government can't fix what needs to remain private like health care.We have the best health care in the world.We don't need Canada Healthcare that takes too long for treatment.If government healthcare is so good why do the Canadians and people from uk and abroad come here for healthcare.Mr.President Obama,Americans will not be fooled.Mr President and democratic congress,Listen to the people.We've been called ''Angry Mob" well we are Angry at the policies like healthcare that is putting our freedoms at great risk.WE the People will not stand still and be silent.We will "Call You and the Democratic led Congress Out "that tread on our freedom in every area.America is speaking out to Congress with the Teaparty Express and other gatherings,Are you listening?The whitehouse and democratic led Congress will hear us when we go to the booths by that time it will be too late
I couldn't keep my eyes off Pelosi during the speech. Those god awful expressions on her face. The talking to Biden during the President's speech. The cocky smile and the jumping up and cheering right on que. I expected to see her pull out the pom-poms. It all reminds me too much of junior high school for some reason. Wow! Are we in big trouble or what?
Now, Obama wants to compare the public option to Medicare and talks about how Medicare users love it. Well, golly, I love it too if others were paying for my health insurance. Duh! Then he compared it to states requiring us to have car insurance. Again, apples and oranges. States require liability insurance to protect the PUBLIC, not ourselves, while we are using public owned streets and highways. How does that remotely compare to health insurance for ourselves being required? How is that protecting the public?
Which do you think it is? Is he THAT dumb, or does he think we are too dumb to know the difference?
Same old stuff. Just another slick-talking Liar!
Seriously:
Speech sounded like he was running for office, making promises that are lies. NEVER TRUST A LIAR. He may have good intentions just if he wants to change a country, It Ain't going to be "AMERICA"!!!!!!!
Siobhan,
yes I heard Obama mention those things. Cross-state insurance? Please explain how that helps?
Tort reform? Tell me about the reform?
And the point I made about republicans standing was in response to a statemetn by Julie that everyone was brainwashed. Of course there are things in the legislation that republican's don't like, that's also not the point. The point is middle ground.
So a few other things you brought up:
controlling the drug companies outrageous costs to the public - agreed
stopping the "waste and fraud" - there's a benefit of a not-for-profit insurance company
stop the pre-exsisting illness exclusions -- was in Obama's plan
Having people of lower incomes buy into the Medicaid system.... -- rather see everyone participate in health insurance, and create low cost insurance for those with lower income.
So there is definately some shared ground here.
John Hawkins
2009-09-10 13:53:43 ET
Obama is our "Teleprompter President."
He never has anything substantive, just a stirring performance with crap.
He is a performer.
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GEORGE W. BUSH USED A TELEPROMPTER ALL THE TIME ! but the problem with Bush was he could not read.
Abortion is NOT basic health care.Any proposed healthcare bill that includes taxpayer funded abortion and no respect for life of the elderly which includes termally ill patients should never be part of a healthcare bill.I do not trust this admistration for doing what is right and moral for the country.This President,Obama, is Pro Choice,and the most evil person we have ever had in the White House.His leadership threatens family values and when the family goes , so does the country.
Jane - I guess you don't remember during the last eight years when DEMOCRATS were blasting the Presidency pertaining to the war, declaring that the "war is lost". You are worried about the devisiveness that you are currently seeing, and want to act like it only pertains to Republicans???
I couldn't keep my eyes off Pelosi during the speech. Those god awful expressions on her face. The talking to Biden during the President's speech. The cocky smile and the jumping up and cheering right on que. I expected to see her pull out the pom-poms. It all reminds me too much of junior high school for some reason. Wow! Are we in big trouble or what?
Now, Obama wants to compare the public option to Medicare and talks about how Medicare users love it. Well, golly, I love it too if others were paying for my health insurance. Duh! Then he compared it to states requiring us to have car insurance. Again, apples and oranges. States require liability insurance to protect the PUBLIC, not ourselves, while we are using public owned streets and highways. How does that remotely compare to health insurance for ourselves being required? How is that protecting the public?
Which do you think it is? Is he THAT dumb, or does he think we are too dumb to know the difference?
He did not change my mind.
I am against big government control of my life and this is what is being suggested. The current administration has lost the trust of the citizens of the United States; there is little they can say or do that does not suggest they want us under their thumbs. When you appoint the bizarre thinking creatures Obama has chosen to appoint as Czars, there is little room left for trust. Thank God the American people-of all political affiliation- are taking notice and fighting back.
He's trying to sell week old stale bread in a new package.Failed to convince me.Tort reform is he serious(NO).How is the bills cost going to be paid for NO SPECIFIC ANSWER.If they could save money and reform Medicaid and Care why won't he do it NOW????.Joe Wilson, although he was inapporiate yelling out LIER he was right and HONEST.
I couldn't keep my eyes off Pelosi during the speech. Those god awful expressions on her face. The talking to Biden during the President's speech. The cocky smile and the jumping up and cheering right on que. I expected to see her pull out the pom-poms. It all reminds me too much of junior high school for some reason. Wow! Are we in big trouble or what?
Now, Obama wants to compare the public option to Medicare and talks about how Medicare users love it. Well, golly, I love it too if others were paying for my health insurance. Duh! Then he compared it to states requiring us to have car insurance. Again, apples and oranges. States require liability insurance to protect the PUBLIC, not ourselves, while we are using public owned streets and highways. How does that remotely compare to health insurance for ourselves being required? How is that protecting the public?
Which do you think it is? Is he THAT dumb, or does he think we are too dumb to know the difference?
Yes Robert, I watched the speech. I was a democrat for many years until the party went left. I am an independant and conservative.
The bottom line people is: Health care needs to be fixed. Medicare needs to be cleaned up.
The plan offered by Obama and the democrats insist on a govt. ran program that will not work and puts government deeper in our private affairs.
People read the constitution.......it calls for as little government control as there can possible be. The government owes us NOTHING. This country was built on free interprise, not government hand outs.
You can say this or say that and wouldn’t change anything.
The saying that all republicans use, “The people” that they acquirer from fox news, talk radio is a flat out lie. They are brain washing there audience into thinking that you have to believe us because everybody in American is in on it!
Tells a lot about ones ability to think for themselves…
The Presidential speech is full of rhetoric and nothing but pure salesmanship and he is obviously putting his political ambitions first before the citizens of this country. He wanted this so badly hoping that people he will insure will get him re-elected in his next term. His speech has no substance and has no detailed plans. The President thinks that he can fool Americans and he probably thinks that we are all stupid. This is unacceptable!
When democrats cannot get their way they call Republican's unpatriotic and devisive. This rhetoric of "trust me" and asaying that all the people who attend town meetings distort and lie has got to stop. Obama has a primary focus on healthcare hoping to ride his mometum through this Congress when we all know we need to fix the problem, not wholesale change the programs in place. Obama's second priority is to promote Obama, enough already with the tv and speaches, he tells us his plan and he comes back three times to explain what he meant, if he is this inarticulate what's next? All anyone needs to know is that if he cannot make a speach to Congress and the American people on time, he has no idea what is to come with healthcare, his lack of respect translated into what we will have to do under his healcare plan and that is wait until its just too late.
This is about health care not race please do not change the subject.
By the way Mr. Obama is a mulatto he is not a black man, so which
part are we being racist about the white half or the black half get a brain
people.
See Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
Ms. Bettyann Saggese comments that Obama is an illiterate and should not be allowed to speak in front of school kids. Oh....
Does she have any comments about the previous White House occupant who spewed gems like these?
"This thaw -- took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." --George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets, Alexandria, La., Oct. 20, 2008
"I didn't grow up in the ocean -- as a matter of fact -- near the ocean -- I grew up in the desert. Therefore, it was a pleasant contrast to see the ocean. And I particularly like it when I'm fishing." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2008
"Anyone engaging in illegal financial transactions will be caught and persecuted." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2008
"We're fixing to go down to Galveston and obviously are going to see a devastated part of this fantastic state." --George W. Bush, Houston, Sept. 16, 2008
What's the Bud commercial say.... “Real men of Genius?”
This administration has done more to evoke division in politics than anyone I can remember! I don’t consider Fox Polls any more of a joke than the lack of coverage of anything questioning this administration with the main stream media. I don’t watch or read any of their BS anymore. There will never be a bipartisan effort with anything but there will be a change with the next election. I am tired of the double standard of media coverage, the crooks surrounding the president and name calling aimed at the people voicing their opinion! This administration is looking at the wrong polls!
THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES DO NOT WANT THIS BILL. SO STOP SAYING LIES.
Doug Peters,
The people want this passed so bad, that democrats are canceling their town hall meetings because of the 2 or 3 who don't want it. OK wake up and smell the.... well it aint roses.
He is not listening to America, 50 minutes of words that did not address one note to the Tea Party.Americans love their freedom and are worried of
what will happen to our country. He has proven that he is a good community leader (Acorn) but not a good Pesident.
Thank God for Fox News we will be going to Washington DC
To Sweetcraver: This President was voted in by those who believed in the "change" he promised. We now are seeing the same ole crap with a much higher price tag! How can you not be unhappy with your choice?
To Al: Ignorant???? "brakes" is "breaks". "ment" is "meant". "responsable" is "responsible".
Beyond that, are you not listening at all? I haven't read any opinions or spoken to others with the mind-set that nothing should be done. The health care system needs major changes and there are responsible ways to do it...a step at a time would probably be good idea! Are you kidding about "us" worrying about the cost? Don't worry about my debt!! I'm worried about yours!! "There are ways to pay for it, Give It a Shot"....Are you out of your mind? You don't take over 1/6 of the economy believing that "there are ways to pay for it" and "Give It A Shot".
In regards to FOX being paid by billionaires to voice conservative views is more than just ironic! Do you know who owns MNSBC? GE!!!!!!!! Sickening!!
unreal
u sound like a real educated ediot!! that's what we call people like u in AL. go back to the communist news network or cnn as u call it!
What our president said, was not what was in the various proposals put together by the dems. I'm sick and tired of him saying a bipartisan answer is what is needed, yet republicans are not asked to the table. He lies over and over again, and it is simply covered up by beautifully scripted speeches as if we're all going to follow like sheep. He and his administration call genuine americans with concerns names, THEY (dems) stage the town hall meetings with their union thugs...it's so sad, and so transparent.
If there is such a push by the American people in support of this health care plan, why aren't the people coming out in droves to support it? Why do the dems have to conjure up support and seed the town halls with thugs? I'm afraid the Pelosi and Reid have a far different idea of what health care should look like than what was presented to the Americans last night.
Facts, the various proposals do not clarify illegal aliens would not be covered. The republicans offered an ammendment to require proof of citizenship, it was voted down along party lines. Lies, lies, lies.
First of all, thank you Charlie, for your service to this country. Know that you are appreciated, you are considered a patriot, and I do care that you watched your friends die in front of your own eyes. I am so very sorry for that. You deserve to be heard and respected for your unselfish service.
Now, to Obama's speech. I am a conservative, I am informed and I am in lock-step behind no-one. I don't fancy my rejection of the liberal health care plan ranking me among the uninformed, the fear mongers, and whatever else he called us last night. Good grief! He is insisting on championing a cause that the Ameircan public do not want and because we don't want it we are unpatriotic, etc.
I don't call that leadership in any way shape of form. That is tyranny.
Can you spell ; R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N....cause that is what is next if this administration doen't stop it's dismantling of our Republic. Obama, you embarrass the hell out of me and any American that believes in what the Founding Fathers meant for us. Health Care is one sixth of the US economy and government has no business running it. And to those that said this pole is just showing Fox's bias.....WRONG...it is called the TRUTH.
"The people" want this bill passed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I listened to every word last night...but I have to admit, half way through I was begging for the president to get over it....I felt the same way this past week listening to Rep. Alcee Hastings field questions at a Town Hall meeting I attended ... I'm of the belief people will disagree with me , never do I believe those same people are dishonorable in what motivates them ... Our president and Rep Hastings have both proven to me, no matter how they sugar coat their words, they both believe I don't have a right to disagree with them...... I pray their progressive mantra continues right through the elections of 2012... so Americans that disagree with them can prove how righteous our beliefs are...
I saw a miracle last night, I never once see Pelosi's lips moving while the president was talking, and she was able to get her hand out fast enough to stand an applaud.
Jane,I have never lockstepped with anyone , but I am in step with many others that have looked at this from both sides and then said no because it is a step in the wrong direction for America.Obama needs to scrap his plan and start over and listen to what most Americans are saying.
I'm sorry but President Obama's speech just didn't cut it last night. He left way too many details out and seemed mostly intent on rebutting talking points of the "opposition". I find myself as an independent voter, completely insulted that he and the Dems continue to treat all Americans as though we are stupid and a bunch of sheep being led by Repubs to blindly bleet our protests in opposition to HR 3200. They need to start OVER! Break it down and go with what most American citizens agree with
Tort reform, competition across state lines, a few new regs on insurance and drug companies (Oh he left that one out! How about us not subsidizing the world's meds?), and we need the government to start practicing what they preach before they dismantle our health care system. Fix waste and fraud in medicare and medicaid and then we can ALL have a serious chat...
What most of the comments here are about Obama being a liar, fear for the deficit, goverment take over, etc. If only you would have a little bit more of an open mind and stop blindly following the words that come from the media. Do your own research, read the bill and you will find that in fact there is no government take over. The insurance companies will pick from a pool of uninsured people who will receive the same insurance at a big discount. The insurance companies are not allowed to drop or reject your coverage for pre-existing conditions. Also, countries in Europe who have had a far more extensive social health care system are paying WAY less per capita than the US is. Research it and stop being too stubborn to change your mind on something thats too important to be bull headed about.
It's not a shame for the US to look at other countries in the world and find systems that work better than systems in place in the US. The United States may be the greatest country in the world but it's not perfect and has things that can be improved.
I meant what I say about reading the bill. It's online for you to read and it is the actual thing. Yes, it's complicated. Page after page of boring information which most people will not actually finish reading, making it either easy to hide information by the lefties or for the right wing nuts to make things up like the whole death panel idiocracy. If you have your doubts on phrases or entire regulations in the bill, research the regulation. Find out what it's all about.
I don't agree with Obama on everything either, but I can tell you that finally since a long time there is someone in office that is not trying to think about filling his own and his friends pockets but someone actually thinking about Americans that have been conveniently forgotten for a long time.
Americans, don't be too stubborn to change your mind on something which will help you, your family and the people of your nation!
I did not need his speech for my decision. I am infavor of his health care bill as prosposed. We all no this forum is dedicated to Republicans so I understand the comments and blatant disrepect for our President. How sad that the Repubs have allowed one man to piss them off this much. I love it.
Well... the President confirmed one thing... to his "Progressive Friends"... its really all about the "Final outcome" the true goal?
That would be a Socialist... Communist style government.
Way to go King OBie one Killnobie!
The King has spoken bow down and follow him or he shall expose you and your kind and you shall be put out and reckoned with.
Reminds me of the ancient days of being stoned in the courtyard for looking directly at the king. Will that be covered in the healthcare plan?
When are LIBS going to get it - BUSH IS GONE! CHANGE GOT VOTED IN. This is NOT ABOUT BUSH - THIS IS ABOUT WHO GOT VOTED IN.
POOR BO complains he inherited a mess. What did he expect? He can't fix anything and doesn't demonstrate that he's a FREE WORLD LEADER, he's a Pelosi follower.
Thanks Jaz,
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“What most of the comments here are about Obama being a liar, fear for the deficit, government take over, etc. If only you would have a little bit more of an open mind and stop blindly following the words that come from the media. Do your own research, read the bill and you will find that in fact there is no government take over. The insurance companies will pick from a pool of uninsured people who will receive the same insurance at a big discount. The insurance companies are not allowed to drop or reject your coverage for pre-existing conditions. Also, countries in Europe who have had a far more extensive social health care system are paying WAY less per capita than the US is. Research it and stop being too stubborn to change your mind on something that’s too important to be bull headed about.
It's not a shame for the US to look at other countries in the world and find systems that work better than systems in place in the US. The United States may be the greatest country in the world but it's not perfect and has things that can be improved.
I meant what I say about reading the bill. It's online for you to read and it is the actual thing. Yes, it's complicated. Page after page of boring information which most people will not actually finish reading, making it either easy to hide information by the lefties or for the right wing nuts to make things up like the whole death panel idiocracy. If you have your doubts on phrases or entire regulations in the bill, research the regulation. Find out what it's all about.
I don't agree with Obama on everything either, but I can tell you that finally since a long time there is someone in office that is not trying to think about filling his own and his friends pockets but someone actually thinking about Americans that have been conveniently forgotten for a long time.
Americans, don't be too stubborn to change your mind on something which will help you, your family and the people of your nation!”
Obama is connected with Acorn!!! Obama was born in Kenya Africa!!! Obama is a Traitor!!! Obama is trying his best to put USA in a muddy sink-hole!!!
Obama needs to be impeached!!!
Did Obama have the Holy Bible removed from our White House???
PLEASE listen up before he has USA wiped out...!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert said ““Insurance companies can't deny you on pre-existing conditions, Insurance companies can't hick rates on you, No American will ever go bankrupt again b/c they got sick (cap on max charges), Insurance companies can't dump you in the middle of treatment”
Robert, do you want to know why this bill is not right for America? It’s not right because The President always says the good thing about it but do not specify and explain the negative that comes with it. Yes, what you said sound really good but everything that shine is not gold. If someone offers you a job that will pay you a lot with access to really expensive cars… are you going to accept it just because sounds good? No, I won’t, I will need to know the details of the job before accepting anything that I might regret in the future. This President pick and choose who’s going to ask questions and need to know the questions before hands, he doesn’t like people that do not agree with him…and I ask myself WHY? Sorry, but I don’t trust this guy AT ALL!!
I feel the President thinks that we all are so stupid that we’re going to believe everything that he says…NO I WANT FACT AND I DON’T NEED LIES TO PERSUADE ME TO BE PART OF THIS MESS!!
NO, he did not change my mind at all!!!!!! Obama, is like what the bible says the antichrist will be, stand up there a lie and the people will be blinded. I'm think we're headed for very dark days down the road. I still don't understand why the American people were so blinded by this guy. I want him out of office and the rest of his people. GOD BLESS AMERICA--please help us!!!!!
The LIAR calling anyone who disagrees with him a liar. The UNITER trashing anyone who has a different idea, and causing more polarization.
If illegal aliens make up over 10 milllion of our population, how does he claim to insure 50 million more, and also claims not to cover illegals, when 10 million of the 50 million are the illegals? LIES!
He says the government will not control our health care, but supports 1000 pages of govermment control. LIES!
He says it will be revenue neutral, but the CBO, with his own appointee says LIES!
He says it won't cut elderly benefits, but he will "save" billions by getting rid of inefficientcy (ie. expensive drugs, elderly, etc).
He says we can't wait, yet many features of his bill don't go into effect for years. What he can't wait for is WE THE PEOPLE to throw him and his ilk out.
If the American health care system is so messed up why do all the rich people from around the world come here for thier healthcare?? Why is Obama in bed with the pharmaceutical business?? Who's going pay for this plan other then the hard working middle class Americans; not the welfare recipients!!!!
Snow Bird, do yourself a favor and tune into FM and enjoy life!
Doug;
Go work work; get off welfare we or the government don't owe you anything.
Obama is a liar and Joe Wilson was right to call him on it.
being civil has gotten us exactly nowhere....These clowns endured us at townhalls, bey didn't listen to a word we said, they slithered back to DC and it's the same old tune.
Obama is deliberately destroying the capitalist system this nation was founded on and not one of these cowards save Rep Wilson has the guts to stand up to him.
A man is known by the company he keeps, obama keeps company with radicals and communists...do the math and wake up America, we are being sold down the river.
He cannot keep his oath to defend the Constitution if he believes it to be "flawed", ergo he should be impeached and the sooner the better.
what if all the people on unemployment wright now or don't have job had to go on gov. insurance it would be broke tommorow get it the gov. would be overwhelmed and the system would crash!!!!!
Steve,
It’s the middle class that’s losing there health care. The poor get free health care and the rich have the money to pay the inflated prices.
Hey Jane, nice shot at the Rupublican party, just like Obama took alot of unecessary cheap shots last night - once again blaming his demise on the previous administration and the Iraq war. I am sure it really made people who lost loved one's in the war feel real good, that Obama and the dems think just due to the war we are in a deficit. At any rate, getting to the real item - Health Care, no he still did not convinve me because, he did not lay out in some detail how this is going to be paid for - that is the bottom line. He had 48 minutes to lay out the payment plan, he spend 15 minutes bashing the other party and those who are so called trouble makers, blah, blah, when he could have been much more productive.
The government should print a version in plain English so we know what it all about and how we are going to be "TAXED" to pay for it. Plus fine a family $3800.00 if they don't have health insurance. I thought this was the land of the free, freedom of choice. This will kill many small businesses that are operating on a shoestring as it is. So this will put even more people on unemployment.
Jane....now that you're finished spewing about the republicans, could you please comment on what was your take on the speech? What were the great highlight points? What are you still concerned about? Please don't skirt the issues here just to rant about Republicans. I would really like to know you thoughts about the speech. Specifics please.
Disappointed. He was slick..and snide. I took offense at the 'games' comment. And still no snswers on how to pay for it..well we know right?
obama's speech was a joke he did exactly what he always does, and is good at, he lies! he takes what he trully wants to do and puts it on a shelf for a while to deliver his speech and then goes right back to the same destructive agenda. i want this country to prosper for a long long time. but with people like obama, liberals and the czars in power we wont. i am proud of all the people who are fighting this tooth and nail, keep it up. we dont need socialistic systems in america and shame on all of you that are to blind to see that. why do you want to give the government more power. incase you havent noticed we are a free nation and thats what we need to stay. dont destroy the country we all love just for your own selfish ambitions.
obama needs to have respect for the people. I can't believe Joe Wilson or anybody else can sit and listen to that worthless excuse for a president. I'm mexican and not illegal, but i know a bunch that are illegal and we don't care for obama, he is going to make this country so screwed up we all (legal and illegal) may have it better back in mexico. It's going downhill for everybody, satan is driving obama's boat.
Anything that the government sponsers, apart from defending our rights, is going to cost. It is apparant that for every dollar of welfare, aid, government supported, mandated, whatever, cost 4 or 5 dollars. How can this 'Bama-Care be any different. Look at cash for clunkers, government closing dealerships vis-a-vis his Czars and now consider Health Care???? Look at all this sub-prime loan business by a government underwritten money well; to wit Sallie Mae and Freddie Mac. And, now government is going to protect us with good health; aw come-on now and figure this one out. Good health coming from our government is a major contradiction. You can kiss your free choice good by and this is only the beginning!!!!!!
When does this IDIOT ever work? He is so "entitlement" minded he feels he is entitleed NOT to work just go on vacations and give speeches!
The heck with health care for now, I NEED A JOB!
To Jaz:
This bill you approve of is like the bills that start government health in Canada, England and other European countries. NOW look at what they have. I read the bill and it will lead to the same problems that exist in the countries I mentioned before. IT DOES NOT WORK and most of these countries are trying to get rid of their gov. healthcare programs. I think you need to do some investigating Jaz.
After hearing what Obama had to say last night, what would have changed so many minds would have been the following.
1. Assuring Americans that the government will not be insuring illegal immigrants and by giving a accurate account of who is not insured in this country.
2. That as President -- who believes so strongly in the Health Care that he is trying to push through, that he and his family and every member of Congress will go on the same health plan as all Americans and he will put it in writing.
It should be clear by now to even the most Obama is nothing more than a speech giver. He is a blank slate upon which Pelosi, Reed, and Rham write their instructions. This is scary.
The President waxes poetically with lofty rhetoric about reaching across the aisle and getting bipartisan support. Good idea! Later, he RAILS his critics and brings up Bush and the Iraq war.......during a speech on HEALTHCARE. A leader leads. A leader does not continue to bash the prior administration in order to score political points. He throws his opposition one little bone about doing some "trials" in some states with tort reform and that is his bipartisan effort? Bush wanted to do this and the Dems blocked it. He still never told us how he will pay for all this, especially with the economy tanked and HIS deficit already skyrocketing. Cut cost in Medicare and Medicaid? I say, do it FIRST and MAYBE I would believe it! And then the last, sickening tug at the heartstrings Ted Kennedy re-eulogy was just about as low as it gets. Delivery as usual great he gets a B+ but content a C- at best.
Medicine
Doctors Malpractice Insurance
Wages of Medical providers
Law suits by greedy lawyers against doctors
This why insurance is so high; stop the BS; and government won't fix the above. No; Obama will never change my mind about Socialist; I worked for the past 37 years; I had nothing when I started. I was one of the poor the; government did not have to do anything for me.
No socialized medicine.
Blaaa, blaaaa, blaaaa...
The speech was nothing but the same old mindless, snarky, tripe we've been listening to for a year.
What attracts you liberals to such bilge?
He didn't chance a single mind last night. It was the same crap we've heard over 100 times before.
I like my Canadian health care.
I have not declared myself dem, independent or republican. After this year, I can only say emphatically that I am not a democrat! It is a shame that Rep Wilson shouted out loudly and rudely what many of us were thinking and shouting at our televisions. He has given the non-news media something to focus on other than the facts (not that fact finding and fair reporting has been a strong suit for the past couple of years). On the other hand, President Obama is praised for calling Palin and others with opposing views liars. Oh, he did have the floor. I guess it would have been OK if Rep Wilson had the floor.
Obama is a friggin liar.
It amazes me that people who supposedly can read and think would still believe that the president is telling us the truth. I understand that persons can disagree on what should be done, but a duck is a duck. It is painfully obvious that if the socialized medicare (Obamacare) being proposed by the democrat party comes to be there will cease to be any choice, and costs have to go up or medical care will have to be reduced. When the availability of medical care is reduced that defines rationed medical care.
Where is the far left pro-abortion radicals who have screaming for decades"KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY WOMB"--now they want the government all over, inside and outside their body? There is no common sense in that.
People should know that Obama's has the Nursing Assos. claiming that ALL Nurses support Obama Care....THIS IS NOT TRUE!. FALSE! FALSE! This is Totally Politized once again... In the REAL Nursing Field is feeling of OMG, will we have jobs left... Example: hospitals are already LAYING employees, sending sick elderly people back to the Nursing Home in Taxi Cabs, instead of an Ambulance! This just happened yesterday! Cab driver drove 20miles to pick up the resident, and drove around an hour... The Nursing Home was next door to the Hospital!!! We need insurance reform not health care reform!
First and foremost I'd like to say that once again Fox News has done an outstanding job on delivering the facts and the truth . We have yet to see any
real transparency with this Administration . How can our President justify
himself to we the people when he cant even live up to his own standards ?
America is awake and change is happening within the people of America .
The U.S.A will tackle this head on and accomplish what needs to be done
in order to get our Medical system under control . The real tragedy is whats
becoming of our Nations leaders and our Nations credibility to properly lead . The betrayal will end and we will see to it by pushing for the truth. Fox news in my opinion is our megaphone and we the truth shall be heard . Enough is enough !
I can't take credit for these words but I do agree with them.
Government run healthcare brought to you by the same government that gave us
1. the compassion of the IRS
2. the efficiency of the Post Office
3. the effectiveness of Katrina
I can't take credit for these words but I do agree with them.
HR3200 leaves too many things out which makes it difficult for me to support it. How do you insure that illegals will not be covered but not include e-verify and other enforcement checks into the bill? How do you cover millions more at no extra cost? How do you rob money from Medicare and not reduce services as a consequnce? After taking money from Medicare, where does the rest of it come from? Where are the extra medical professionals going to come from? Why can't fix the problems in smaller bills? Why do we have to do another monster bill that makes it difficult to read much less understand? How much do the unions profit from this Bill? Will it be easier for the SEIU to unionize using HR3200 as their mandate? Does the AMA and the Nursing Association speak for all doctors and nurses?
Too many unanswered questions.
There are no answers forthcoming, only more double speak. I don't trust governenment to actually deliver what they promise. Bait and switch.
It's time we listen to our President and stop the democratic and republican debate. It will NEVER end. As Americans we need to back our President and try and come to an agreement that helps ALL people in our country and come up with ideas on how to not add more money to our deficit. Our President wants to help people have health care. Stop bitching about what he is doing wrong, and ADD to the ideas to help him instead of being against him whether you are democrat or republican. We ALL agree something needs to be done, so stop bitching and give our President ideas from both sides and get the damn job done!
If this plan is good for me than it should be good for congress and the president also. They do not want this plan for themselves.
why?
How MUCH will affordable insurance cost, Will the homeless and jobless be able to afford it ???
This Health Care Bill is so scary and I am not for it when all the people in Washington had not even read it. I am sure that Americans are very worried in America of what is happening in Washington DC.
you can vote how many times you want. the poll just went up. its like a robo poll they got people who keep clicking NO cause not that many people visit this dam site. where are the hackers out there to do something
This man will say and do ANYTHING to attempt to look sucessful. He has lied his way to the White House. I am a nurse and I do NOT support this plan. I do not believe ANY organization should be allowed to back anything as a group. We have no voice in a matter then. MINE SAYS NO! MY nursing license says NO!! My thirty years of experience says NO.
AND AS FAR AS THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE ..get rid of it!! let the people vote now! that system also denies the voice of voters!! We dont have horse and buggies...in this electronic age we can all vote ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not buying it, today he is saying that it will cost 90b a year, last night he said this new health care will cost nothing, he also you can keep your plan the way it is, if he cuts medicare how can i keep my plan, don't like his plan, it not right for AMERICAN.......................
Jane,the first comment ,was very insulting. I am a Republican and will pit my pastriotism against anyone in this great country of ours. It's arrogant statements such as hers that turn people off to her cause. We need comments, not vitriolic statements.
Go figure,
Fox says 8% and CNN says "allot" …
I’ll take 8% from fox :)
2010 I am voting NI
No Incumbent
Not one will get my vote. And in my state, the senators are democrate and my congressman is democrate. All three I have previously supported. NO MORE!
VOTE NI
He (Obama) should have stayed at home. I doubt if he has read the bill. There are several bills out there. Could he have ready the wrong one. They need to though out all the bills and get some people who know something about health care to put together a bill. I haven't head a word about big industry of quitting paying for their employees health care. Why not. They seem to support Obama. They need to help pay for health care for the needy.
Fox News supporters are kind of dumb. I wasn't sure until now.
As a Registered Nurse, I am wondering where Obama hand-picked his smiling, applauding audience from. Almost every health care worker I know is at near-panic level when thinking about government-run health care! We know what the REAL changes will be, and they aren't happy thoughts.
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
Let's look at the people (Czars) that Obama has surrounded himself with, they are socialist and communist. He says one thing, but gives no solid facts. Has he READ the proposed plan?? Probably not as most of the lawmakers that will vote for it. And for speaking out against it...."they will be called out..." how is that for freedom of speech?!?!
But I will pledge that come election day, the voices of AMERICANS will be heard.
I'm an oncology nurse. I've had experience with Medicare refusing to give my patient one portion of his life live extending chemo because of it's price tag. He was in Skilled care and they refused to allow him to have the drug AND would not allow his family to self pay. That is the fine example of what will be coming our way if One Big A__ Mistake America (OBAMA) has his way with our health care system. I am a Registered Nurse and I want nothing to do with this plan!!!
@Kay
Actually, the bill is not like the Canadian, English or any other European country. It is a bill which adopted the working systems from other countries and adapted to what would work in the US. Canadian health care IS government run, the US health care will not be.
The only thing the US government will do is set new rules which for instance, will not allow people to be dropped or rejected for pre-existing conditions.
I'm glad we have some sort of conversation going on. You might have read the bill but I don't think you understand the health care system in other countries. They do not compare to the proposed US system. You will find some likeness, but like I said, they adopted and adapted.
I lived in a European country and know it's system. It works there but wouldn't work in it's current form in the US. Thats why the US is not adopting the same exact systems but adapting them to US circumstances.
I know my promise is not worth much to anyone here, but I can guarantee that after the dust of this entire health care battle settles and the bill has been approved, health care will be available for almost every American, government health care cost per capita will lower and you, your children and everyone will be able to fight illnesses like cancer before they get out of control. How beneficial would it be to you or your family to be able to afford going to the doctor to do regular check ups and catching that cancer in it's first fase?
Thank you for your response!
Obama said the same things, just a different day.
President Obama is a great public speaker. No doubt about that. But when I listen to him, I get the same feeling when someone comes to my door selling encyclopaedias or vacuum cleaners. In this case, there is no money back guarentee, however. Slick talk. That's all.
Obama is being Obama a person who is trying to take away from the people that's on medicare and medicad he wants to dictate what he wants but all he's after is control he wants to make our country a socialist country and take what freedom we have away. He should be more worried about jobs and the poor more so than health care after thiers alot of people who without a job now days does he care ? NO All he cares about is getting control of health care and the FCC and if you talk about him and he gets word of it then you're on his list .. What is a List what is he going to do have us shot for speaking what's on our minds? I have news for Obama he's no Hilter but he's trying to be. What ever happen to freedom of speech? i'm one that will say this: GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.
We need to let health insurance companies compete nationwide to create real competition in the marketplace. Tort reform should also be on the top of the list.
For a president who has built a reputation of being able to bring groups together I was very dissapointed in his approach used in last nights speech. He seemed agitated and at times he used threats to get his points across (i.e., We will call you out!). Once again he uses a tired approach of "the sky will fall if you don't do this" (i.e., companies will shut down, people will lose their job, their insurance and will die). The speech was long on platitudes and short of details another hallmark of Obama. He made it clear that he will push for a public option and play lip service to Tort reform. Not much new in that speech.
My mind has not been changed by the President's speech last night or this morning to the ANA. The ANA represents only a VERY SMALL number of nurses. I have been a nurse for 35 years and agree that the healthcare system needs to be fixed but at what cost and who will pay for it? This should not be rushed through. Whenever government gets involved, care should always be taken. One glaring example is the way the bailouts were handled.
Foxs news is a sore place to get the facts. Obama has presented a plan and what have the ignorant Republicans done, not a thing but, say no. The Republicans have been represented pretty well when Rep Wilson made an ass out of himself. What a looser the Republicans really are.
Yeah right....a fox news poll...and arguments from republicans that we should keep things as they are....why are we so selfish? Why does fox only lookout for the wealthy? Look within your hearts and you will know that the president is doing the right thing....
Not only did it not change my mind, but it made me mad. He's threatening people who express their dissent? Going to give everyone outstanding care, ensure that no one is ever denied care, and cover all pre-existing conditions for all people for the duration of their lives . . . for free? By not adding "one dime" to the deficit. He's out of his mind.
Also, I just caught the latest speech about healthcare on Fox. To nurses this time. He said that the number of insured, according to just-released census data, has increased since last year.
But he failed to note that the number of insured has INCREASED from 253.4 million in 2007 to 255.1 million in 2008. MORE people, then, are covered than ever before, but we need to throw our entire system out? That's ridiculout. Gee, my toilet is clogged, think I'll buy a new house.
Here's the Census link: http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/014227.html
Obama's speech didn't change my mind because I already supported what he proposed.
JANE YOU MUST BE NUT'S!!!! YOU'RE THE PEOPLE THAT IS DIVIDING THE NATION. IT IS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL SHOOVED DOWN OUR THROAT'S IF YOU FEEL THIS WAY STAND IN LINE AT YOUR LOCAL COUNTY HEALTH DEPT. SEE HOW IT FEELS!!!!
Herbert Hoover, why do you say Obama is a great public speaker?
He doesn't say anything of relevance.
He has no specifics on anything - never has.
He doesn't fool me one darn bit!
That doesn't add up to greatness at public speaking if you ask me,.
Obama is a master of double talk. Health care "reform", proposed taxing of firearms, cap and trade, the takeover of US companies, the appointment of radical czars, etc. all point toward his socialistic agenda for this great country. True health care reform is needed, but absolutely not the dog and pony show solutions that he and his cronies in congress are trying to shove down our throats. Keep up the good work FOX, we citizens must be informed of the truth if we are to remain free.
Obama is the puppet and the Dems are the puppet master. the President is a great speaker and knows his audience well. I am not sure if he fully understands healthcare and what insurance is.
We do no believe Obama! ! ! Why? The reason is the house bill HR-3200. Pelosi is going to have a vote on that "Bill". And that Bill is a government takeover. I will be happy to dump everyone of my 123 employees onto the government plan because 8% of my payroll is less, and I will layoff all employees required to still make a small profit. My margin is only about 6% net.
This guy has lied about everything he has said in the last 2 years, How can anyone beleive him now ?
Mr. Obama states he will "call out" those who misrepresent the truth. It's time HE be called out for his evasion of the truth, misrepresentation of facts and his goal of bringing this country under socialism. He and the other elected officials work for US - "US" being the UNITED STATES people. They need to listen to US and the will of the People. KUDOS to the GREAT SENATOR of NC for speaking the truth that Mr. Obama is lying when he said illegal’s will not be included government plan - they are able to obtain other "free" government services so why should we expect that health care will not be another give away at my and your expense???
You have a entity that seems to want waste out of the medical field and waste out of goernment period. This same entity produced it and wants us to believe that they can be trusted w/ our healthcare. Everything the government touches tarnishes and creates problems, this is a fact!!! It is like if I were to be entrusted w/ someone' savings to invest it and maintain it and I go blow it own want I want. I apologize to the person and tell them I will be wanting to look after some more money for you, but this time I will make sure this problem will never happen again so that you can be at ease. What!!!!!!! This is simply called theft.
Yes, even you. If you are reading this twice, then you are super dumb.
I think Jane is a robot to CNN or some other station that does not tell the truth. WAKE UP!!!!!!
The President calls anyone who disagrees with him a liar. He was highly offended when those same words were directed toward him.
Double standard: yes.
The Congress person who yelled out liar told the truth. Perhaps, he should have respected the sitting, but the President doesn't respect anyone else.
Double standard: yes.
The President challenges radio station and commentaries that disagree with him and calls them attacks. He uses a national televised forum to attack others and is cheered by Democrats.
Double standard: yes.
The President publicly states AARP is supporting him. AARP publicly states they are not supporting him. Who is telling the truth? You decide.
Today the games continue.
The President brings forth a group of nurses who are supporting him. That small group does not represent nurses Nationwide. Deceptive: Yes.
This is the old bait and switch game being played at the highest level of government.
Our health care concerns are too important for these childish games.
Mr. President, please. Grow up! Speak truth no matter how painful! Stop trying to eliminate the constitutional rights of every American.
Just to let everyone know the ANA does not speak for every nurse. Especially not me.
What's new!! Just another flowery speech telling us that he intends to railroad it through. He absolutely refuses to listen to the American people. With the exception of mentioning the words malpractice suits which he has absolutely no interest in, there was absolutely nothing new -- just pushing ahead to socialism!
I trust nothing coming from the mouth of a democrat at this point in time on any subject especially this topic. It makes no difference if it comes from the mouth of a member of congress, the senate, a cabinet member or Obama himslef. They are predisposed to decieve and mislead. Republicans are not much better. Our goverment is not for the people who carry this country on their backs and anything coming our of Washington cannot be trusted.
As usual: Obama is the master community organizer capitalizing on natural charisma and glibness, spewing more lies, factual inaccuracies, and hyperbole; playing on human frailty and ignorance.
As usual: Obama is ALL talk, and no substance.
Obama: PUT IT IN WRITING, IN THE LANGUAGE OF A BILL SO WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN!!!!!! Enough BS "speechifying". As it stands now, we have HR 3200. Have you read it??? It is decidedly different than the BS you spew daily.
Obama: Until I see your "plan" in a BILL, your plan is just BS rhetoric, like you Mr. President.
Obama is ALL BS ALL THE TIME!
Obama for Acorn in 2012
The President suggests "paying more for nursing professors so they can train more nurses..." yet right now the reimbursement for performing cases while training Nurse Anesthesia students has been further reduced by Medicare. (You would now make more if you did the case on your own and skipped the training altogether...)
BC/BS announced that a 20% reimubursement decrease is coming for physicians. That will be passed along to nurses who work with these physicians driving salaries down even further.
Want to really reduce your health care costs? Get Torte reform out front and that will help reduce the malpractice insurance costs and get the lawyers out of the picture.
nobody will ever see any poll on nbc abc or cbs, ever wonder why?
Does FOX pay you people or do you actually come up with this on your own?
Five things are needed for Health Care Reform
1. Tort reform, at a minimum, if a case is dismissed or found in favor of the physician, the plantiff is required to pay the physician's legal fee's.
2. Income tax deduction for full cost of health insurance and all medical bills.
3. Require all Health Insurance companies to provide coverage in a minimum of 10 states. Drop all restrictions of not crossing state lines. Just like auto insurance companies.
4. Vote the democrates out of office. Get fresh blood in congress.
5. Get rid of lobbist.
Yes, even you. If you are reading this twice, then you are super dumb.
None of you are actually debating. You are just calling names and stating how much you don't like the President. You just sit back and lie in this forum. It stinks.
It's interesting to see how fired up Conservatives get about healthcare, but don't get fired up with losing over 4,000 American lives and trillions of dolalrs spent in Iraq. Not to say there weren't any benefits derived from the war, but ultimately, it was not a war we had to wage. Anyway, the fundamental goals that President Obama laid out in his speech are things most of us I would hope can agree with. One of the President's responsiblities is to set the political agenda that Congress historically follows, because after all, the President is supposed to identify those issues that matter most to the nation (obviously lawmakers will set their own agenda to ensure their constituents are happy, but don't always set an agenda that improves the well-being on folks in the rest of the country). Writing every detail of the law is not one of the President's responsibilities...that's for the lawmakers in Congress to do. Anyone who thinks that the President was too eloquent last night and it only represented fluff clearly was hearing, but was not listening. After reading most of the comments, it seems reasonable to assume that most of you want to keep the status quo. I don't, and I'm in the services so my family and I are covered. However, I've seen healthcare insurance in action (and often times, inaction) and it's a broken system. It's the lawmakers' responsiblity to fix this system, not the President's. He is only setting the agenda and what he believes are the fundamental goals when aiming to fix our healthcare system. I invite anyone who thought Obama's speech was a joke to first, list out how much you pay for your family's healthcare insurance a year, second, what portion of your (and maybe your spouse's) annual income goes to healthcare costs, and third, indicate whether or not you're happy with your coverage. I'll go first...1) 0, 2) 0, 3) Yes. In addition, I believe the bill or perhaps a subsequent but related bill should address ways to implement preventative measures that Americans can take advantage of to decrease the dependence on healthcare. For example, simply put, Americans are too fat. As a result, a plethora of illnesses result because of obesity and general unhealthy living. Maybe implement tax breaks for companies that produce foods deemed by experts as "healthy" so that such food is more affordable for everyone. Also, maybe reward those schools that better track the health of its students and can show improvement in students' health and high scores for physical fitness standards? Just some suggestions.
He said that he would let nothing stop him from getting this passed. That means that he will do anything, leagle or not.
It's not about health care, it's about total control.
It's about a DICTATORSHIP and he must have it in place before his term is up.
He then gets congress to remove election limites, then he's in for good.
You remember what he said about the civian force he wanted?????
I LOVE MY FREEDOM, WHAT I HAVE LEFT. I DON'T WANT MY GREATGRAND CHILDREN TO BE SATTLED WITH TRILLIONS OF DEBT.
JAX
WHY ARE YOU FOX NEW'S HATER'S ON THIS SITE ALL YOU CAN DO IS CONDEMN THE FOX NEW'S GET A LIFE GO TO CNN OR ABC OR MSNBC!!!!!
Didn’t change my mind either because I am still for it….
The question was poorly worded... No Barack did not change my mind because I had agreed with him from the very start. Therefore the polling results are a very poor indicator of how Americans voted, based on how the question was asked. My wife is a Dentist and I am a Nuclear Health Physicists and we operate our own business. We offer health insurance through her office but no one accepts it because it is ridiculously too high. Our employees take coverage through their spouses who work for much larger companies due to our providers high costs. We pay $987.00/mth and very seldom see the doctor with a $2500.00 deductible...Tell me if that makes sense.........
Since Medicare has issues with fraud and mismanagement; why isn't that being fixed NOW, ALREADY, LONG BEFORE THIS? Why is Medicare in trouble?
The simple fix would be to give every "Citizen of the United States the same health care that President Obama and his family along with the rest of Congress now have!
Unemployment is too high, we are in two wars that we know about, have we fixed New Orleans and the surrounding areas from Katrina, what about those dikes and another hurricane, Social Security has been misused and is in a mess..................PLEASE tell me why we should not fix the mess we are in before trying to fix something that is, at least, basically working!?!?!? We all want better and more............but who is going to pay for it and how!
This Government couldn't properly distribute 3 billion dollars for clunkers and they one to take over 1/6th of our economy directly!?!?!?!?
Doesn't this President and Congress have enough on their plate that really needs fixing right now, yesterday!?!?!?!?!? I'm not afraid of the future but I don't want the shape of the future the President and Congress wants us to have either!
We've had generations to fix Social Security and it ain't happening......Someone wake up!!!!!!!!!!
No wonder Americans are getting more and more angry!!!!
The President stated that he would cut some Five Hundred Billion from Medicare/Medicaid; this in itself is bound to hurt Millions at least. And, that this would in part pay for a new health care system and he promised it would not cause tax increases. Well, l would like to hear where the rest of the funds to pay for the new health care system would come from!?
When Medicare Part D was introduced, my insurer said stay away from it, in less than a year, my prescription coverage was dumped and I had to sign up for Medicare Part D immediately! If you think you will be able to keep your company coverage, think again. I worked 22 years at a wage lower than industry average so that I would have coverage, only to have it chipped away at every opportunity. Be very careful what you wish for, if this bill passes, number 1, we really don't know what it will actually cover and number 2 we will be stuck with it!
Every hospital in the country has a sign in the waiting room that reads no one can be refused medical treatment.
As Obama keeps pounding it into our heads he is hoping eventually we will
get disgusted and give up. We know how it works - be strong and stick to our beliefs. Isn't apathy one of the signs of the fall of democracy.
You poeple need to start thinking for youself and stop believing everything you see on fox news. Obama's speech was truthful and right to the point.
Doug, if you're still for it, then you're a waste of skin povery pimp who OK with living on the other guy's dime.
That says a lot about you.
Get a life!
Fair and balanced? Yeah, right. I was a republican all of my life until I saw a bunch of whinning, poor losers in the last election. Now I see a bunch of racist idiots who hang on Fox News every word. I haven't seen one thing on Fox News that has been fair and balanced and not full of right wing guidance. The republicans had the past eight years to get things taken care of and sat doing nothing. The result was a collapse of our economy, jobs going overseas, the financial system taking advantage of the trust of the American people and the world, and a war in Iraq over "weapons of mass destruction." Now we have someone who is putting back the pieces and all the republicans and Fox News can do is do everything they can to make the President of the United States look bad and stop the recovery efforts. In my opinion you are a bunch of traitors to this country and Fox News is nothing more than a televised National Enquire. I am so ashamed to say that I was once a republican let alone say that I had been for 35 years.
It's been proven!! ALL YOU FOX SUPPORTERS ON HERE ARE IDIOTS!!!! YOU REPEAT ALL THE SAME NONSENSE OVER AND OVER.. WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT, ALL YOU STUPID SCARE TACTICS ISNT WORKING.. DIDNT WORK BACK IN NOVEMBER AND WONT WORK NOW!!!
Like most people said this guy is just a speaker; he should be the real speaker of the house. I think that we are heading to become like other communist countries. Isn't Obama a Muslim? Hmmmm.
I have heard Dem's sniping all morning about the lask of the Republicians lack of patriotism from not agreeing with the President. Where was the Dem's partriotism when Pres Bush was being called Hitler, and ridiculed for everything he did. Plus Pres. O. constantly points out the debt he inherited from Pres Bush. What about the Stimumus package, the bail-out of the Auto Industries. He frequently mentions how beneficial they were to the country. I join the American Public in stating they well may bring about the bankruptcy of our Nation. Our grandchildren will be paying back the give-away packkages, plus bonuses Obama us resoibsubke for. Plus, Laura Bush was gracious to support his talk to the schoolchildren. He never acknowledged her act. No, President Obama will never convince me that his type of health care report will be beneficial to the Country. Even in the Cash for Clunkers, they could not do it right. They should have specified buy Americian Cars.
I was waiting to hear something different from his speech, but its the same old retoric from the Dems. I want to support the president but thus far he has givin me little reason to believe ANYTHING that spews from him mouth.
No one seems to be pointing out the major problem with this poll, which is that it doesn't tell anyone anything. It simply asks if the speech "changed you mind about health care," which means that most of Fox's conservative viewers/readers were unlikely to change their minds based on anything the president said, and the same goes for the left, who had already decided to follow Obama anywhere chanting YES WE CAN till their blue in the face. It's obvious that less than 1% of the people participating in this poll actually went into the speech with an open mind about the policy, the bill, the president or how they personally felt about this issue. Basically what I'm saying is that EVERYONE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE need to LISTEN and READ information from BOTH SIDES, don't dismiss people as LIARS and FRAUDS because you don't happen to agree. Do you hear that LEFTY? I'm talking to you too RIGHTY! A debate is an exchange of ideas not a shouting match. We as a country stand on mostly common ground, try and find some before you start treating each other like enemies.
It's obvious that Kim jung....I'm mean Obama is trying to force this HR through regardless of it hurting more than helping.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, "Step right up...Get your snake oil!, it'll cure your every need want and desire with only a small down payment of your soul!"
His speach, didn't change my mind. It was and still is a train wreck. God help us, if this group stays in power. The people need to stand up and send these bums packing next year, before it's to late. I am a moderate and voted for John Mcain, because he was the lesser of two evils. With all the spending and special interests " PROGRESSIVES " advising the president, this country will be bankrupt and forever changed, very soon. This nonsense, has to stop. I love my country and refuse to appologize for it. For godsakes people, stand up before it's to late.
This poll is rediculous and the nonsense comments. Comments comming from commercials that were set out to destroy any inkling of a health care reform. Never have I ever seen so much ignorance in my life. This news station can not even get the countries correct. May I need to say "Egypt" This news station does not even know where Egypt is located on a map. How can one trust a station that doesn't know its geopolitics!?!!? Read the speech for the words! I think he mastered it quite well. He talked to all sides of the spectrum. He wants the nonsense to stop and to come to a solution. He is open to ideas and has asked over and over again for bipartisan work. However, republicans throw out rediculous and off the wall commercials and all it is doing is disrupting the proces oh and scaring the public. This is a MORAL issue and is violence in itself. Before Obamas plan, Government has been paying for 65 percent of the United States citizens health care. All he is asking is that we come to a consensus on how to include the other 35 percent. Get over this veil of ignorance and see that there are people in the country suffering! It doesn't matter if they are republican, democrat, or independent! We are talking about peoples lives and the right to health care. I will be shopping for health care here soon, and personally I am up for health care reform because by 2016 I will be putting 40 percent of my income towards health care, which is sad. Due to the fact that this will cost less than the Iraq war and pay itself back in the near future. COME ON PEOPLE TEAR DOWN THAT VEIL OF IGNORANCE AND THINK ABOUT OTHERS FOR A CHANGE! PS on the note of his speech and everyone saying that he is only saying it to get peoples vote. You can tell the change of tone in his voice and tell how much he cares about this issue! Watch it again with an open mind and maybe you will see it the way he intended for you to see it!
Everyone says what a great speaker. He's not an orator, he's a great reader of someone's writings. He doesn't believe the "stuff" he's trying to "sell" us the public. Last night's "talk" was nothing new. He is lying to us. He hasn't a plan, just what some of the Congress has written, same old stuff. He and Congress are not listening to us, look at several polls, they all disagree with his so called plan. I don't trust any of them. There is too much going on behind the public. They are not honest. As far as I'm concerned we should vote them all out of office at the next election, that's the only way we are going to get their attention to pay attention to what the public desires, after all we are suppose to be a Republic, when the Dems were in the minority they wanted a Republicl, but now that they're in power, they believe majority rules and they'll write their own laws. Let's take back America at the next election!
its time to remove this un american president .he loathes at the human race the so called master of deception cover your ears to lies that are put in front of you the truth will free america impeach now
Jane is a perfect example of divisiveness. She has nothing to do but criticize those who disagree with her point of view. Attack the speaker, not the facts.
About Obama's speech, nothing new, loads of vague “indisputable facts" and too much "it has to be done now!".
I agree something needs to be done but not something as close to a complete overhaul that's being proposed. One step at a time, see what works and move on. It's a proven fact that government running business is always a failure in huge monetary cost overruns. There is no way this isn’t going to cost the taxpayers, all 47% of Americans that actually pay taxes, huge amounts of money in the long run. This claim alone is a scam of biblical proportions.
This is just another "We’re from the government and are here to help you" lie.
Three issues would go FAR to fix our broken healthcare system:
1. Tort reform
2. Remove availability to illegal aliens
3. Clean up fraud and waste
NOW you have "build on what works and fix what doesn't, rather than try to build an entirely new system from scratch."
What is an affordable insurance premium $10, !00, 500, 1000 per month. Family or single plans. How will the premiums be paid or collected with the public option. Will there be coverage if in arrears in payment? When will it be cancelled for nonpayment? Then what happens to these individual who just won't pay the premiums? Will care be denied if no insurance? WILL THOSE WHO FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS DO NOT USE HEALTHCARE BE FORCED TO PAY ANYWAY? How do you inforce this for those who do not get pay checks where the deduction can be easily made? These are some of the problems with car insurance requirements where they get the insurance to get the tags then don't pay the premiums.
Illegial Immigrants will recieve amnesty before this is in play that is how they will get coverage in four years.
This is a very silly poll. It does not differentiate between people who already were for the "plan" and those who were already against it. So a No vote is totally meaningless and which way did the yes votes go? That would be a significant number. Who thinks up these things? Oh yeah... The network of Beck, O'really (sic), and Hannity. Bet they spin these results to show that O'Bama is extremely unpopular and should resign for the good of the country!
The American people (and the mainstream media) wouldn't listen to the one person - Jeremiah Wright - who told all of us the truth about Barack Obama during the campaign, when he said Obama is a politician who will say anything.
Obama mis-lead the American people to get elected, and he's mis-leading us now on Health Care Reform.
All I can say is look up the bill and read it. What the president is saying doesn't match what congress is doing!
It's the same old, same old. He's seen that America rejects what he wants to do; this country isn't ready for socialism. So he has only repackaged the same thing in more palatable language. He has an agenda and we'd all better wake up. This is NOT about listening because the President and members of Congress are outright lying. Don't you get it? They tell you what they think you want to hear. They want to accomplish their goals ~ regardless!
Jane, You hope the terrorists aren't watching? Get real and wake up. Terrorists are LOL at the USA because they have Obama just where they want him. Here is our President apologizing, bowing, shaking hands, with terrorist state all over the place in hopes that being “nice” to the bully and he will leave you alone. It is more like in the wild where weakness is eating by the predators. As far as the health care thing goes Obama is a SHAM, He wants a single payer government run health care system. He has stated that clearly he also said we can’t do it right away and that he will get it done a lil bit a t a time and “public option” is the first step. Why the big rush. The longer he waits the more people will realize that it is all about him making his “deadlines” and changing this country. He said it clearly wants to “fundamentally change” the USA. He is A LIAR! And did the terrorist watch? I am sure the Czars were tuned in.
Jane
2009-09-10 11:35:14 ET
Any poll on Fox is a joke. Robots walking in lockstep. Repubs piling on with glee, fortified by hate and divisiveness. No respect for the Presidency. I hope the terrorists aren't watching, I'm sure they feel it would be much easier to attack a divided country. Repubs are the most non-patriotic members of our society.
____ Nicely spoken..(haha)..Jane. Your comment definitely doesn't divide us.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." How do you feel about the quote from Theodore Roosevelt?
If I didn't read and study politics, I suppose I might have gotten at least that this is a man who knows how to play a crowd. I do do read and study politics, however, and I found absolutely no change whatsoever in this health care plan; it was one painted lie after another. There's alot to being intelligent, but then, there's much to being intelligent enough to speak, while being the epidemy of naivity on both sides: One the recipient who lives in a a-la-de-da world and believes everythink they hear and the other side who thinks there's no one out there who knows more than a first grade level of arithmetic or logic. This bill has to pass for the regime to get full control of the government. Health care means nothing. If it did, they would be regulating instead of trying to reform EVERYTHING/ WE HAVE A GOOD system but it is corrupt just like the government. Why would anyone think the government could run this HUGE system when they can't even run the post office...........
And just what part of medicare/medicaid is going to produce 600 billion dollars?!?!?!?!? Maybe they could regulate care of the elderly, oopps, I wasn't thinking. Rationing just won't happen.....well, isn't that what he said?
I'm so sick of this whole issue - it's just lies............we know what the bottom line of the plan is. Who is fooling who?!???? Any argument pro change is nothing but the same old thing over and over. Government control is the only issue.
Obama isn't a great speaker, he is a great reader of speeches written by others...without the teleprompter, he's a bumbling idiot. he is no leader, he is a puppet of the far left.
Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany once said "let the people think they are invested in their gov't, it keeps them docile". Dems believe that and Social Security was the beginning.
Obama and the dems are running roughshod over us all in order to get as many people dependant on gov't as possible, they therefore get a one party rule with them in charge.
Will anyone dependant on a gov't check vote to cut gov't and their own pay?
Of course not, a child can see through this, yet supposedly intelligent liberals will vote for the destruction of their own nation.
Obama managed to cobble together enough liberals, perverts and assorted bottom feeders from the recipient class to get elected and now we as a nation are in deep trouble.
McCain may have had his faults, we all do, but no-one could doubt his patriotism, his resume of service to this nation or his guts.....electing this communist fool in a time of war, shows just how low this nation has sunk because of liberals.
Obama, repeats over and over, the same stories, Hi is a liar, he is manipulating. He can give acorn 8 billion, and take 5 billion away from Senior citizens. I want to know why he does not address fraud with medicaid, we support illegitimate kids every year, we pay for the births, we pay for the food stamps. What is he going to take from that government run program, or does he stay away from the subject because of his voters use most of that give away!
I forgot one fact that the President continues to distort.
He constantly states the Republicans are to blame for the lack of support when this could be passed by the Democrats with no Republican votes what-so-ever. That's true in both houses too. It's the Democrats themselves that are holding up this legislation, not the Republicans.
Adding to that fact is the constant rhetoric that he wants a bi-partisan bill, but again, the facts dispute this. It is a fact that the Republicans are being shut out of the debates and not allowed to participate in the process.
Jane-you are a slime-bitch radical-Obama is an "empty suit" who can only point his finger at his opponents-he can't justify his positions ,clarify his policies or explain his plan without twisting the facts ( i.e. lying ). What a jerk !!!
The thing I hated about the speech was that he never specifically said how it was going to be paid for. When the banks and car companies were bailed out, did we profit from it? Did GM and Chrysler give each one of us a new car, because our tax dollars saved them? I don't remember that happening.
This President is scary. Don't get me wrong, I support the Office, just not the man. Unfortunately, he doesn't know that this is not a committee organizers job that he has taken on, but the Presidency.
Obama as usual, is not being honest with the american people. I saw him today giving a speech to the Nurses Association. Everyone knows how valuable nurses are, but why not praise our doctors. Our doctors have been receiving inadequate Medicare reimbursement from the governmentfor years; they have to wait months to be paid; have to jump through hoops with all the administrative paperwork needed to recive payment and when they hire additional help they are criticized. And let's not forget the lawyers who are always waiting to help people sue. Doctor's need to protect their own liability, if they don't take that extra test. Their insurance liability costs are astronomical. I don't know how they stay in businss. Obama barely touched the issue of Tort reform. I don't believe he is serious about reining in the
lawyers. I also don't believe he is not going to cut Medicare reimbursement.
I am a senior and see how little my dotors are being reimbursed and he wants to take more from them. Where is he getting his information from?
I ddn't vote for Obama, but was willing to give him a chance. My initial beliefs were true. He is trying to bring America down. He doesn't care about
America. His actions prove this. I wasn't surprised by his speech last night.
He is a good saleman (to those who are gulible), but his words are empty. He is not telling America the truth. Hopefully, America will wake up in 2010 and vote out the congress and senate members who are helping Obama destroy our country. Hoefully, we will elect a new president in 2012, who we can respect, who will be honorable and who will raise America up to the high standards that exemplify America.
In response to Jane, while most liberals say that Republicans are divided you claim that this poll shows how we are mindless robots walking in lockstep. Which is it? About your comment on not respecting the presidency....what about 2005 when the whole of the Democratic minority in congress booed and hissed as the president discussed Social Security Reform? Is that respect?
There is, however, one thing that we do agree on, I too hope that the terrorists were not watching as our president, once again, discussed what he considers to be a waste of money...the wars in Iraq and Afganisgtan. If our freedom is not secure, the best medical treatment and accessibility is worthless.
Isn't it hilarious how these Fox haters have no facts to offer, just hate speach and attacks on the people that are against what Oblabla has to say.
I wonder how many of the people complaining, or that are against this reform, have taken the time to actually READ what's being proposed. Instead of sitting around like ignorant drones taking others words, stop being lazy, READ FOR YOURSELF, and form you OWN opinions!! It continues to amaze me and sadden me how politically uneducated most people in our country are.
SSDD.
No changes and nothing new.
Trot reform?
Why hasn't "waste and fraud" been addressed in the past? Why only now?
Competition? Allow companies to sell policies across state lines.
Savings in Medicare? Reduce benefits?
Let's start from scratch and have some imput from both parties and the taxpayers.
These IDIOTS can't seem to get it right. We are drowning in RED ink yet they continue to spend.
Balance the budget STUPID.
Foreign aid - stop sending my tax dollars abroad. That will give you some SAVINGS.
All I heard was a bunch of back tracking, sugar coating and trying to side step around the concerns that Americans have with all of this. All I heard was Obama TRYING to calm the storm of all the outspoken people who are against all of this because they know it can't possibly work the way he says it will and and then more of him trying to make Americans believe that everything will be ok because he would take care of it all because it's his watch. Whoopdy Doo, It was all word games, that's all I heard, WORDS and way too many of them at that!!! I heard no real plan of action or even an outline on how they would actually attempt a plan of action, I heard no plan on how this was all going to actually be paid for, all I heard was what he's been saying for months now, JUST WORDS!! Stop with all the words and SHOW ME HOW THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK. There were no real answers during this exremely lengthy speech, just more sugar coating, repeated words and phrases, and more promises that he can't deliver, over and over and over, but still nothing concrete enough to make me agree with any of it. It really doesn't matter what he actually said, he always says one thing and then does another anyway, so in my opinion, the chances of anyone with some common sense and logic believing all of this bunk is slim to none. If it sounds too good to be true.... it usually is!!
Jonah,
You are right, I own my own business and live off my workers from doing there job. Yes I live of the other “guy’s” dimes also I do need a life considering I am here all day…
Just more lies and more bully tactics. What part of WE DON"T WANT IT do you not understand Barry? Oh I know you know what is best for me and my family. I DO TOO!! whats best for me is for you to resign and go back to Chicago with your crooked politics and take Reid And Pelosi with you!!!
The one big mistake he made was lie about the Insurance fir illegal Immigrants, everyone knows, they get everything for free. Including an interpretor if they don't speak english. No I have not heard anyhting new last night.
He is the father of lies...
One questions: Have we forgotten it was G. BUSH that got our country in this quagmire during his tenure in the Presidency NOT our President?!?!?!
I am thankful that a Rep. From South Carolina had the nerve to say what he thought to the President. Dems are so quick to speak out against Rep., this is the first time President Obama has really felt the heat turn up on him. The speech was the same old thing..... Obama trying to express his views by lies.
If your minds get any narrower, on either side of this debate, it will soon collapse on itself. Lobotomies for everybody!
Same old campaign garbage...he's a great orator (when he has his teleprompters working) but the worst president we've ever had....those guys on the hill must have special calculators to come up with his $ figures....sure not the same as mine! WHEN will he ever wake up to the fact that he was elected to serve US, the American citizens he seems to dislike to much. If you're in MX and have a medical emergency, THEY don't pay for your treatment, YOU DO, and in CASH! But you can bet, we'll wind up payiing for illegals no matter what he said.
As a mother of a pre-nursing student his speech didn't change my mind nor my daughters. We need reform but this is not right. I do not think the government should dictate manditory coverage. Nor meddle in my finances to see if I can afford coverage. My family was w/o coverage for approx. 2 years we tried to purchase coverage but I was denied for pre-existing condition that has never caused any health problems. In Oregon we have an insurance pool much like what the President wants to set up nationally. We turned to this source and found that to cover myself alone was going to cost $650.00 a month. This was simply unaffordable. I was quoted nearly $900.00 a month for my family of 3. At the time our income was $2100.00 a month and the majority was from unemployment ( the reason for the loss of coverage to begin with). It will only work if state lines are dropped and tort reform is in place. Oh, I forgot Obama is a lawyer. Guess that won't happen. To place the laws on pre-existing, out-of-pocket etc.. will simply drive premiums higher. I believe this is simply a backdoor attempt to put a single payer government system in place. I do not believe that it will make it more competitive but it will actually reduce the options that people have. Employers (especially small business) will stop offering coverage and simply let employees turn to the marketplace for coverage and many people will not be able to afford coverage in the pool so they will have to utilize the public option because it will be AGAINST THE LAW to not have insurance. I do believe that there are smarter ways of reforming our system and they should work harder to achieve this. I am angered by the President saying it will happen this year. What is the hurry!!! We haven't had reform in decades, he said so himself. If it is so important to him than he should want to get it right. If my elected ones vote yes on this they will loose my vote and I will work very hard to block there re-election. It is simple ... SLOW DOWN and start listening to the people who pay your salaries.
Very Concerned in Oregon,
DA
This is a great polling question... for a first grader. Does this mean that 92% agreed with the President already and didn't change their minds? Stupid question, stupid poll and stupid news organization. Fox, I know your viewers aren't the most intelligent lot but I don't think you need to lead them by their little snotty noses.
I did not change my mind. He is still a dirty black lowyer that hangs out with Acorn. Glen B is right about everthing. I got no health insurance and I do jest fine. Don't listen to them dems and libs.
People, do you not realize that this is a dominately conservative news station? So of course it is going to be dominately no. All I can say is read the proposed plan, check out other news stations: NPR, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, the NY Times, you get the idea. Get educated about it before you bash it. Don't just listen to one side! I am an independent due to this very reason. All it is, is a bunch of hooplah because the interest groups and the big businesses are trying to control the outcome of this "health care reform". Please get educated about it, I am begging you!
MMMMM makes me wonder if you Idiots who support Obama plan are you blind ? or are you being paid to support Obama it's either that or you want our country to a Socialist country where you wont have no freedom if his plan is approve it would allow him to control your health. WAKE UP AMERICA Obama wants to take over the F.C.C. if he does he'll take over our television stations and radio stations and the internet if he does he'll make us watch what he wants us to see and hear what he wants us to hear there will be no more freedom in our country. Our fore fathers died for our Freedom WHAT IS OUR COUNTRY BASE ON? I WILL TELL YOU 1 FREEDOM 2 FREEDOM OF SPEECH I RATHER DIE BEFORE I LOSE MY FREEDOM .
Why are we not impeaching Obama? It has been brought to light the type of people he surrounds himself with. It's very clear to me that what Obama wants to do is turn this into a country that is dectated to and crown himself dectator. Obama and congress are going to try to shove everthing he wants down our throats. I dont want the goverment in my healthcare. I don't wnat them in our schools either. The speech last night didn't change my mind. It's all the same, he's just using different wording. Nancy Pelosi needs to be cast out also. That woman was like a JACK-IN-THE-BOX, up, down, up, down, up, down.
Why is it that every president before Obama only needed 12-13 Czars and he has to have at last count 30? Why is it that every first lady before Michelle got by with 2-3 assistants but she has to have 118 at a whopping 1.5 million plus?
Now we have acorn caught on tape refusing to comment about this video that has been brought to light! I can tell you what they are going to say. That is if they own up to what we are seeing. They will tell us that this is an isolated event and that event resulted in all the poeple involved were fired. Pleaaaaase!
I'm tired of all the excuses and appologies that are coming out Obama and Congress. This is "We the Peoples" country and if we as Glenn Beck says "don't wake up" well......not matter what race you are or your political veiws are......we will loose out rights and our country.
I have 2 brothers and a nephew over in Iraq and Afganastan. What Obama and Congress wants is for everyone who fought wars in the past.....who came back to us injured or those that don't come back at all......those who are fighting now.....want that all to be in vain.
THIS IS THE SEASON FOR OBAMAS IMPEACHMENT AND PINK SLIPS TO BE HANDED TO NANCY PELOSI AND OTHERS IN CONGRESS.
Do the Republicans agree that it is the moral character, and a civilized duty of a country to provide health care to all people, especially to the needy?
If they say yes, then the President is right. If they do not agree, then they are not good human beings.
Same Old Song - Good Speech writer, Teleprompter - and no particulars to show how a National Health Plan would be able to be successful. No details on how it will be paid for, no details on what the seniors will give up under Medicare to pay for it an of course he still insist on the Public Option. He has to make sure Government is going to be involved in our Health Care and be a major player in many aspects of our lives. The only thing that has become transparent in this Administration is the man calling himself OBAMA.
"I will die Free - before I live under Tyranny"
My husband had open heart 7 yrs ago and had to his difibulator replaced in Aug at the cost of $51.000 for being in the hospital for 7 hours as out patient. Medicare paid for that along with our suppliment ins. Is there waste in that $51.000 YOU BET there was. We need reform. My husbands open heart cost $129.000 wiping our any saving we had & maxed credit cards to survive.
We own a small business in Michigan & with the cost of everything insurance is out of the question for me at 62. Our President is doing his best ot to cover citizens like me who have worked since I was 15 years old & can't afford insurance. Its nice some can afford insurance but don't punish those of us who can't. We lost everything but our home after that open heart surgery.
Lets get down to the truth and what Mr. Obama is not telling you he can
not make public option work with out taking away from the people that have
health care already.
so Mr. Obamas solution to the problem is to destroy my heath care plan
and replace it with a pis poor Government plan , and you ask him why
he is doing this and he will say so the GOVERNMENT does not go broke????
News flash the Government is already broke, get a brain Mr. Obama the straw man.
We need Elected Government Servants that will tell the truth and do what is good for the Nation not lies and destroying this nation so they can turn it into a socialist dictatorship like Mr. Obama and his Chicago buds what too.
I can not what for 2010 good- bye socialist democratic party
You Fox haters just need to stay off Fox.....you've made the effort to come on board, but if you weren't looking to insult and hate, you'd just stay with your own kind. I'd like to think you might learn something and change your attitude, but if you can't, just stay away and let us be. Most of us, whether conservs or libs, or independants, have discovered that THIS is where we can find the truth and get a little peace from your hateful and unpatriotic attitudes.
We have alot of peace of mind because we love the United States of America for what it is, what it was, and what it needs to maintain as a country.....there are millions who came here for the same reason - you want to destroy what is loved, respected and tho, certainly not perfect, gives us peace. WE DO NOT WANT THIS TAKEN FROM US - you all seem to hate us so much that the only peace you have is getting your way in hurting US.......If you don't like this country, there are plenty of places you could go. We, on the other hand, love our country and are trying to retain its' values and correct its' problems, one by one. We are not racists, radicals, or ignorant - we care, deeply and
honestly and want no more than to keep the freedoms MOST ALL OF YOU HAVE too. You've taken alot of effort to sit and read the question, comments and those of each of us who get alot from each other's love for our country. Stay away - take your hate somewhere else. THIS IS NOT ABOUT HATE............you don't fit in.
I'm moving to So Carolina. They have public servants that tell the truth. Actually I've never heard the point of this debate spoken. Here's the real point:
Pass anything you feel is approprate as long as all and I mean all Americans including the elete inside the Washington Beltway are included. If the elete want to kill old Americans I have no problem with that as long as the elete stand in line first. How DARE they sit in their seats dressed to kill with a fake smile on their face passing laws that they are not subject to.
If they were included themselves I'm sure the bill would be very small and very fair. Just give us the same health care they have and there will be no resistance from anyone the problem is it would bankrupt the country!
Dear people who say Obama is lying,
I will let you speculate on why Obama would lie. In order for him to want to lie there should be something in it from him right? Well, I will give you the task of figuring out what is in it for him when he is lying.
Lets see...
Money is probably the best motivator for anyone, so would he get money out of anyone for pushing through this bill? Hmm, the only ones that seem to benefit from this bill seem to be the American people... so I don't think so.
How about his promise to provide a health care reform... Well, it would be much easier if he would drop the public option to push it through and thus delivering on his promise. So thats not it.
Is it because he wants to be elected for a second term? Well, I don't think pushing this bill through would make him very popular if it wouldn't actually work. So my logic would say, unless it works, it wouldn't make sense for him to do so. That would be a bad move.
So he has no motivation at all to lie? OMG!
MAYBE HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH!
Regarding: BRAD COOK!
You are a bigot! I cannot believe you said that, you arrogant, uneducated little boy. Grow up and realize how ignorant you are!
You don't have to be a 'repub' to disagree with the President and his proposal.
Please answer our questions before demanding our support. Show us you can clean up Medicare, Medicaid and Vets Admin. BEFORE you request/demand our support for another government run healthcare plan. Above all, please stop blaming those who disagree with you and the past administrations. Stop insulting our intelligence. YOU are our leader...YOU are accountable to the American people. . Listen and learn.
Joe Wilson should learn proper Congressional decorum. One just doesn't heckle the President when he is addressing Congress. We are better than that. Yes, the President lied, in numerous instances, but Wilson should have saved his comments for the news cameras later. It would have been the polite thing to do.
Of course, the polite thing for President Obama to do would have been to accept Wilson's apology personally, which he refused to do. That small gesture would have shown class on Obama's part, which woefully he has demonstrated time and again, that he simply doesn't have. That's the one thing they don't teach when coming through the School of Chicago Politics.
I have been caring for two elderly parents for the past two years with cancer and heart problems. I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that because of present goverm,emt intervention life is difficult, confusing and wasteful for taxpayers, healthcare providers and the insurance companies due to laws requiring so much documentation and redocumentation that information actually gets confused. The speech was a grave disappointment. The whole situation is grave when another opinion is locked out continually. Get rid of the Czars, get rid of this plan and START OVER. I know I have had it not due to talk radio or cable news or influential politicians but because of my past and present situation. I have had to fight for my parents feverently because of their age. I have also fought against waste and defended tax payers dollars . We can reform on our own by doing the right thing,
I have been caring for two elderly parents for the past two years with cancer and heart problems. I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that because of present goverm,emt intervention life is difficult, confusing and wasteful for taxpayers, healthcare providers and the insurance companies due to laws requiring so much documentation and redocumentation that information actually gets confused. The speech was a grave disappointment. The whole situation is grave when another opinion is locked out continually. Get rid of the Czars, get rid of this plan and START OVER. I know I have had it not due to talk radio or cable news or influential politicians but because of my past and present situation. I have had to fight for my parents feverently because of their age. I have also fought against waste and defended tax payers dollars . We can reform on our own by doing the right thing,
My ONLY question to those supporting this bill: "Will you be receiving the public health option without contribution or will you be receiving the public health care option and contributing?"
Regarding Illegal Immigrants - The "No Discrimination Clause in HR3200 will adequately cover the II's for full coverage heavily subsidized to completely free" - Technically Obama Lied.
Name a country outside of the US borders who provides emergency health care equal to the US that does NOT require proper paper work & method of payment before they simply "stop the bleeding."
Jane, Jane, you are just another misinformed robot from the otherside of the tracks. At least on this side of the tracks we are informed, stay informed and are disgusted with OB's speech, written by his lawyer writers. It did not address tort reform, because he is a lawyer as well as his writers. We need to reign in the lawyers who bring lawsuits at the drop of the hat. Clean up Medicare and Medicade if it is so corrupt, before you start on "Health Care Reform". If OB does not clean those programs up, the same crooks will run the new program an then just another program filled with "corruptness".
Obama confirmed by disagreement with his ideals! He is full of hot air. If he can create such a sufficient healthcare system by cleaning up the crap then do it to Medicare now and show by example...... Maybe leading by example would be the "grown-up" action to take. Calling names and degrading your opponents is grade school antics and quite frankly make me giggle. AND WHY IN THE NAME OF GOD did Obama not even acknowledge WE THE PEOPLE who are shouting to be heard at TOWN HALL meetings across our GREAT NATION and the TEA PARTY crowds that are growing immensely! Talk to these people. WE are democrats, republicans, independents, white, black, hispanic ....... Obama IGNORED the PEOPLE's VOICE and for that I AM APPAULED!
Last election, some one said "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". I think the chicken has come home to roost for the president.
He is lying because he is trying to destroy this country; that's his motivation. He was put here by the world elete to form a one world government but first he must destroy this nation. I will have license to kill people through witholding health care. You will see this economy go down the drain just as planned. Look at all the Communists at his side he is equipped and will destroy this entire country. Sit back and watch; no one will be able to stop this from happening since he is the most evil person to sit in the President's seat. God bless this Country but I fear it's too late....
Go Obama! This was a great speech. Poor people are suffering in this country with no health care. This will make things fairer for everyone. Rich republicans are mad because they won't get to be first in line all the time any more. And for the next speech republicans should have to wear gags or just dont come at all.
I say impeach the republicans from congress after all look what they have done to this country for the last 8 years & the wars have cost all of us billions
Bush started TARP & Obama has to fix the republicans mess.
Pres Clinton left this country in the black after 8 years & it took Bush 2 years to spend all the surplus & get us into 2 wars.
Why don't some of you wake up & realize the Glen Becks of this country are radical idiots like rush Limbaugh.
I implore you viewers of Fox News and members of "Fox Nation" to broaden your horizons. Do not take everything Fox News says for its word. Find out for yourself what the independent media, liberal media, and foreign media has to say about the current health care plan. Utilize CNN, NPR, MSNBC, BBC, NYTimes, USA Today, Times Online, etc. to form an opinion. If necessary, read the source material: H.R. 3200 from the US Government Printing Office. Just do not base your opinion on one source alone, and a biased source at that.
Laziness is a breeding ground of ignorance.
Sorry, after listening to Fox News, I would really have a hard time beleiving any poll that you put out. It is so one sided. You say, "We report and you decide", but what you report is your opinion, not what is real. I never use to pay much attention to politics, but I have quickly decided what news I want to watch. Un-bias
Jane, get a life. Obama has not earned my respect yet. Even though I voted for him he has lost all credibility with me in the last few months. He said nothing new last night, but he said it very eloquently, and he especially did not explain how WE will pay for this program of his. If he is so sure there are savings to made in the current health care system then he should be spending time fixing those wasteful ways now. He doesn't new a new law to do that. He could be bankrolling this cash to help pay for any new health care system that might actually work for all of us.
merreck....you are truely ignorant and uninformed . . .
Jane's not misinformed. Our employer employees 140,000+ people and we were told if Obama's tax on health benefits goes through we loose our insurance?
When does someone care about us?
Why does anyone have to loose their insurance for reform?
Shouldn't no one loose insurance while reforminbg?
This is for Al. Al, I don't think I can argue with you because I'm still laughing. Your quote, "I can't believe how ignorant many of you are". Al, reread your comment. You have so many grammatical errors and spelling errors and usage errors that we have to wonder how smart you are. To name some: Plumer, ment, responsable, american (not capitalized), doctos, unninsured. But, we're glad you are on here with us reading all the legitimate discussion about the health care plan.
Obama is a complete idiot. For someone who is so smart he really is making huge mistakes with dealing with American people. Over half the country oppose this bill. Drop it and start over. This time include the right in the process.
This system was not intended to exclude anyone, it's a process of debate.
Does anyone ever read the fact checking website? If not you should.
AMANDA,
I think I speak for most on this board, they jest aint as strate forward as me. Bama's trying to shove the socializm down our throats. I don't want to be like Russia. Try watching more news on Fox and that'll straighten ya out.
I do not understand why people would be for insurance companies and against regulating them. They screw us all. Pre-existing conditions, BS dropping when you get sick, they force 80% of the personal bankruptcies in the US. I guess everyone writing in this forum thinks this is a good thing.
The President laid it out pretty simply. If small minded morons can't understand it, they will continue to get what they have coming to them. Just wait till you need an abstraction of your tooth.
Why did Obama ignore WE THE PEOPLE?
How could he not even mention the PEOPLE's MOVEMENT?
He is going to walk smack into the wall of reality soon.
TOWN HALL meetings and TEA PARTIES are where the TRUTH can be heard
And Obama is so righteous he ignores WE THE PEOPLE completely!
Somebody with more facts, help me out here - back when O was a Jr. Senator, the first bill he voted was an attemp to put regulations on spending etc. of , was it Fanny May or FMax.....I'll look it up, but maybe one of you starter ones can give me the feed....all I know, for sure, is that he voted against it. The Libs had control of the floor the last two years of Bush's second term..................there weren't ANY attempts to regulate spending or excess corruption of the Banks, the Car Industry, the housing industry......
correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a Bush lover, I can assure you.....It seems all presidents have spiders concealing the bodies in their closets. ......but, it is time to stop blaming him for everything. This is obama's lair - now. It's his ball park..................going back to the past often brings up irregularities on all sides - best, unless you want to expose more on your side, you should stop placing blame on the other.
Liberalism is a mental disorder, its primary symptoms being a rush to throw out individual freedom and liberty and live under the iron boot of government. None of this is about healthcare, it is all about control of the individual. Liberals (progressives, socialists, fascists, communists - all shades of the same evil) do not compromise, and they cannot be dealt with rationally or logically. Their sole purpose is the total destruction of individualism, capitalism, freedom and liberty for the good of "The People". Translated, "The People" are the elitist tyrants that plan to confiscate all of your wealth and personal property rights and dictate every aspect of your life for you - now to include getting rid of you when your usefulness to "The People" has ended. We used to fight wars to defeat this kinf of evil, now we have allowed it to infiltrate the very core of our government. Shame on us for not paying more attention. Shame on them, the traitors (and there are many) that have slowly but methodically perpetrated this evil on us.
People like Jane are completely lost to reason and logic. I actually believe they are devoid of a soul and moral compass. It is almost too late for us to regain our country and restore it to what it was intended to be. If we are to survive, we must shine the harsh light of truth on the enemy, and identify the enemy for what and who they are and defeat them decisively else all is lost forever. We give this evil its power by failing to oppose it. If we don't stand up now and stop this abomination, we deserve what we get. Anything worth having is worth fighting for. Freedom or tyranny? Its time to decide. Its almost past time to take action.
Wow! What has happened the past year to Fox News. As a extreme moderate I love to hear "good" debates and find the good points/bad points of both sides to make a decision. I also used to enjoy Fox with it's Conservative bent but it also used to be much less hostile and overtly one sided. Weird that at I now look at Bill O'Reilly as the only one who seems to try and discuss things without an agressive bias. I used to also enjoy Glenn Beck . . .now I will watch him every now and then to get a good laugh. Even Hannity seemed to be much more even keeled with his sidekick Combes (spelling?) who was definitely Robin in that relationship. Greta is awesome but more involved with legal type events. Why have these polls is what I wonder . . . . it seems the moderate man like myself is extinct when it comes to watching Fox. Oh well - here's hoping for less divisive times in the future.
Poll says if Pres. Obama changed your mind about healthcare; what a joke of a poll! a setup for sure; if I said answered no (which i did) it could also mean that i supported healtcare reform before and i support it now (so no he didn't change my mind but reinforce my belief). if i answer yes, I would be saying i supported no reform before.... damn if i do and damn if i don't :) .... can you say gotcha! well as I said before, we don't need enemies we got "FOX FRIENDS" :) .... or Republican sounding puppets! I just want some legistlation that address the health care issue (current healthcare system is in control of ALL of us); Obama doesn't fix all the problems but it is a start. Tell me, Republicans, what do you got? Because all I heard is "lies" or mis stated truths - because when i check into it, it doesn't pan out! Don't insult my intelligence! :) I CAN KEEP MY INSURANCE, I AM LUCKY TO BE INSURED! stop telling me i am going to loose it if i support healthcare reform for those WHO DON'T! It is just another option and something that will create more competition because current healthcare institutions have to drop cost to more realistic means. In the USA, someone should not die because they could not get care or because of loop holes or because insurance cap their expenses (like if they had a choice in the illness they are dealt with). Frustrating that human factor gets lost. And if gov bankrupts a few of these healtcare institutions (because they could not drop their bottom line) well, how is that a terrible thing? Obviously they are padding their bottom line now at your expsense. I am hoping for a healtcare reform that if anything else, STARTS to address this issue.
@Patricia
Rep Wilson is true patriot. Obama was the using the joint session before a national to spew more propaganda, half-truths and lies.
If you are so concerned about congressional decorum, perhaps you should review the many many disrespectful comments and outright lies made on the record, on the floor of congress by Pelosi, Reid, and others about Bush. These despicable so-called leaders set the gold standard for lack of respect and lack of decorum.
Of course if you are mindless left-wing liberal Obama drone, this will not make any sense to you.
Communism? What has this country come to? George Bush was more of a dictator than Obama. Obama does not want to destroy the american way, he just wants to help "we the people" out. By 2016 40 percent of peoples incomes will be going towards health care. No one should be denied health care because they cannot afford it. Health care is a main problem of our deficit, so if we work on solving this problem, we can start paying back our debt! He is our president, you can disagree with him, but to defame him is another issue. I supported bush even though I was against some of his views. Make some educated statements instead of tabloid rumors.
Dear WHY: The Dem's controlled congress while "Bush" did all these dastardly deeds. Bush is not without faults, but don't stand the Dem's in a glass house either; they just might get cut.
Remember that Bush pushed congress to appropriate the 780 Billion in Sept? Well also recall he spent less than 300 Billion and said the next President would need to make strategic decisions for the rest. SO how does Obama now qualify to receive credit for the 780 Billion rescue relief?
As I recall he loaned the Auto about 50 Billion and then bankrupt them leaving the UAW without the golden health insurance. Could that be why we MUST have the public plan; to support the UAW for backing the bankruptcy?
While your supporting his decision making and planning for America's Health Care; understand he made 50 BILLION (I know I contributed TAXES toward the 50 Billion, can't speak for you) disappear faster than my wife can dispose of $50.
Leonard, you are a total fool with your one world government conspiracy trash. You like to say silly things like that to make you look important. I guess you believe that Obama is actually taking orders from Bin Laden (or maybe directly from Satan). Perhaps he isn't really human. Maybe he is a evil robot beamed to Earth by aliens from another galaxy. He is out to destroy our country, perhaps even the world, or maybe the entire universe!! I bet he has an evil laugh he saves for himself when he sits alone is his room, gloating about how he has duped stupid humans like me.
The idea that Republicans are ignorant is so much garbage put out by Democrats! Statistically Republicans are better educated than Democrats! However, putting that aside, this is America, we have the right to say how we feel about politicians or their programs. Liberals are the most closed minded group of individuals around. Ultra Conservatives are no better! People should open their minds (and ears), this president is leading us down a very slippery slope. We need health care reform, but not Government Options or to have this particular bill forced down our throats!
Concerned in Virginia
MOLLY-
Loose- not tight; or of poor sexual discretion
Lose- to have something taken away; to not be successful.
I would have given it to you had you not repeated it 3 times. Go back to third grade.
SOME ONE NEED'S TO THROW A SHOE AT THIS MAN INSTEAD OF GEORGE BUSH ALL HE GOT WAS SOME ONE TO CALL HIM A LIAR OF WHICH HE IS
GET A LIFE A SHOE OR A LIAR HECKLER WHICH IS WORSE?
Jane - I'm sure you had so much respect for the presidency when Bush was in office. Remember that this country was divided long before this issue arose. It's convenient for you to say that any disagreement with Barack Obama is disrespectful or republicans "walking in lockstep" ... but it's also ignorant and shows YOU are the one with the closed views.
i am 53 years old and i don't want insurance. how dare he demand we pay for insurance when i don't need it. since i grew up i have gone maybe 8 times and managed to scrap up the money to pay for it. He is scared and trying to stop us from marching on washington. as for insurance i was having trouble hearing in both ears, went to the doctor and sure enough thew both were stoped up. He cleaned them out in 2 minutes... since i didn't have insurance the charge was $25.00 ...then a week later my husband felt he had the same problem, and sure enough 1 ear was clogged same thing 2 min. and done. But this time my husband had insurance, medicare. when the bill came for him, they charged him $176.00 try it yourself. i used to be democrate when i was young, then i voted republican once, now i belong to the constitutional party.
Thank you Rep. Joe Wilson, R-SC, for stating what MOST American have known all along -- OBAMA LIES NEARLY EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH!
Obama knows that ILEGALS are covered in HR 3200 as there is NOT specific language in the bill, which is key, to PREVENT illegals from getting health coverage under this bill. It's all a sham -- the Democrats are the biggest lying hypocrites and the far left socialist nutjobs in charge right now, have done everything they can to deter, derail, etc. efforts by more reasonable thinking legislators (Republicans) to add an AMENDMENT to this bill that specifically DENIES health coverage to illegals!
Obama, et. al, have delayed implementing Bush's executive order to require that all federal contractors to implement E-Verify, that would virtually overnight eliminate ILLEGALS from gaining or keeping employment in the US by using fake ss#'s and id's! It's insane that more Americans aren't outraged by this! Greedy employers are exploiting those illegals, whom I do understand want a better life, but so do the 23 million unskilled American workers they're taking jobs away from, in addition to lowering wages!
I just left a very well known restaurant chain as a server and overheard the owner talking with the ILLEGAL MEXICAN kitchen workers about their ID's and SS cards. He said, "Where'd you get this, the flea market up in ________?" So, he KNOWS he is hiring illegals and in the eyes of the community this is a very respected man and I think it is UNAMERICAN that he is aiding and abetting ILLEGALS because of his greed! He works those people from 10 am to sometimes 10-11 pm. So, in addition to screwing American workers, he's abusing the illegals -- not cool.
Please get involved. Check out: www.numbersusa.com, www.wehirealiens.com Call ICE to report employers who hire illegals and the illegals working there: 1-866-347-2423 You may do so anonymously. Until Americans get ticked off enough, the liberal idiots are going to try and ram their socialist agenda down our throats. And one last thing, to the Obamabot kool aid drinkers who are 99.9% of the time illinformed, uninformed, or completely in the dark, you should read a little more, and stop watching Keith Olbermann, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. NONE of those networks covered the story on Obama's "czar" appointee Van Jones who recently resigned, thanks largely to the efforts of Glenn Beck ringing the alarm on this very dangerous man, who is a SELF AVOWED COMMUNIST?SOCIALIST?MARXIST! He is shown on tape saying these things. And, he's another person of color, hate whitey, RACIST! So much for the kumbaya, let's all come together bullcrap that Obama ran on. I knew it was all a lie then and know it now. Your country has been hijacked by far, far leftist radicals who are hellbent on bankrupting this country (literally) and then "building it back up" on SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES!!! WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA!!!
Jane .... Gees! And your polls are the only accurate ones? Where have you been hiding while all the Town Hall meetings are being held? Don't you read enough from various reliable sources, both Democrat & Republican & Independent & Liberal & Conservative to know anything? There is no one so blind as those who will not see! You have my sympathy!
Wow, I wonder if Rush limbaugh is a producer on Foxnews. It would definitely explain the total lack of staying neutral and being as far to the Right as a news network could possibly be. Instead of going out and telling people what the other party is doing wrong, how bout show some bipartisianship and compromise!!!
Brad Cook:
I beg to differ. Look at the Scandanavian countries. They have socialist ideas and economically they are in the top wealthies countries. America is slacking in education, health care, and so on which is leading to our lagging behind other nations. Ever since net scape was introduced to society, we have deteriotated significantly. If we don't do something about our health care and increase our education, we will fail as a nation. This is why health care is such a huge issue with Obama. He wants America to succeed and technically he does not want America to become a socialist nation because it is not the American way!
Admit it you unpatriotic bigots - the only thing you want is to oppose anything and everything coming from a democratic administration. You have no concern for the greater good of the country - you are only following the likes of Rush, Beck and other entertainers like blind robots.
Admit it, even he had an idea that you liked, you'd oppose it. Patriots love this country - and this country is made up of citizens - if you really want to call yourself a "patriot" - do what's right for your countrymen - not what lines the pockets of big business and increases Rush's advertising market! - Wake up!
Janet-
You are the problem. You are 53 and more prone to a large illness, cancer or heart disease than most. Your lack of insurance will sooner or later have the rest of us "scraping up" some $$ to take care of you. There is no way you'll take care of yourself when this happens. No one goes through life without getting sick and/or dying. Eventually it gets us all. I do NOT wnat to pay for you, but when you show up at the emergency room in full defib and you get a bill for 15K what do you plan on doing?
Yes, we’re fox supporters because at least Fox give us the opportunity to listen to us no matter if we’re Dem or Rep. Fox answers questions and we feel that we have the freedom of speech that we deserve!! I have tried to post questions on the others networks but I always get a message saying “my post is waiting for screening” and they never post anything that I ask or say…why? Because they are bias, but Fox listen to you and me and post what it’s in your mind. So, I stopped watching other networks because they do not offer facts just idolism to one party only; instead Fox provides you with facts and debate an issue providing support to who deserve it!!
THANK YOU FOX...YOU'RE THE BEST OF THE BEST!!!
Nobody is for no reform. People should not be dropped when sick, no preexisting conditions should be excluded, but the costs can not be unreasonable too. The freedom of people should be a factor.
We have asked for reforms. Someone just starting work should be able to get health care plans that build assets to be used when older.
Competition should exist over state lines.
Tort reform needs to be in the bill.
Medicare should not be cut as people paid in for 40+ years. Would be an example of government single payer in the future that would cut care.
This bill is a terrible bill and should be thrown out and we should start over with compromise.
If anyone votes for it along with any more spending they should be voted out in 2010 as they are not Americans for America and the people.
If I didn't know better I would say Obama and the Congress are trying to destroy America.
As I said in my Op/Ed this morning on Special Ops and News.com - Most people didn't buy it before the "snake oil salesman" speech and most still don't. People have so little respect for Obama that at least one member of Congress finally did what millions of Americans were doing last night from the homes - heckling the Joker.
I don't think Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina should have apologized for anything. Members of British Parliament heckle the Prime Minister during "Questions to the Prime Minister" every week...and that's a civilized country. Interesting how liberals don't think Wilson should have adopted the British Parliament style of heckling - while they're in favor of embracing the British style form of health care - which only works if you don't get sick.
I've read a few posts from folks indicating the way Fox posed the polling question is tricky. Actually it really is not. It goes back to my previous post about unfortunately how one-sided the news channel has become. The question is posed to the current VAST majority of viewers that are anti Democratic and even more so anti Obama. So 99% of the folks viewing and answering the poll KNOW the question means: Did Obama change your mind from not supporting Reform? Again, I really enjoyed Fox News before . .. .now it is just too much Obama/Democratic derogatory rhetoric. Not that MSNBC is any better with their liberal bent . . .. . . but they do seem to do a better job with actually respectfully discussing issues with Republican guests. Note . . .I said better job . . . not GREAT job:)
The President is a Master Orator for sure, but he just doesn't get it. A small majority, by last count around 52% of Americans, simply dont want what he is pushing. We don't want Big Government intrusion in our lives or in our healthcare decisions. I agree that healthcare in this country needs much improvement, but we still have the best healthcare in the world even with the problems of high cost, etc. Mr President, wake up and smell the coffee!
wow what a lier he is and to look America in the eyes and say what he said - how about Australia??? I must say new zealand sounds good also!
i read the bill and yes there is mention of aboration but in a really sly way
Unreal, You moron, you can't even spell "idiot", stay off the blogs until you've received some education, you're embarrassing yourself.
To all of you screaming, blinded, deaf and deceived liberals who commented here and found any kind of truth in that so called "speech" last night, I'll quote the greatest truth ever written....the Bible. "The foolish will confound the wise." Consider yourself confounded.
The Presidents speach left me feeling more ill then before. One Senator shouted out your lier...this was not cool but honest. I have to say, at least the Senator is being honest unlike most politicians. I believe we need Insurance and Pharmacutical Company reform. Why can RX companies advertise when Cigarette and Alcohol companies cannot. Isn't RX drug abuse on the rise? Isn't this why the Alcohol and Cigarette companies had to stop advertising. What has our Nation become. I bet if we had some insurance reform and we could cross the state lines to purchase health insurance our premiums would go down. Why is it that illegal immigrants get to use our welfair system? Please don't tell me that they do not...I worked in the Medical field and believe me they use our welfair system. Obama needs to listen to the American people or maybe we need to impeach him.
Thank you Fox Network for not letting the Obama administration buy you out...I refuse to listen to NBC.
WWW.FACTCHECK.ORG....WARNING...IT MAY MAKE THE FAR RIGHT AND FAR LEFT APPEAR TO BE COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOTS!
Jane is one of those that will project her own behaviors on others. Because she does in fact walk lockstep behind Pelosi, Obama, and their ilk it stands to reason in her mind that anyone that doesnt agree with them is in lockstep with those that she considers "the enemy". Personally, in the last 20 years that ive been voting not one of the people i voted for president has won. But thats ok, at least i vote with my mind and heart and what i believe is the way we need to go. People like Jane cannot take responsibility for their own lives or even their own minds and that is why they have to look to the Democrat Party Line to find out where they stand. They cannot think for themselves nor do they want to. It takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude to go against Obama nowadays, ive found that out via my own friends who happen to be predominantly liberal. It saddens me but i refuse to cut them off as friends not to mention they afford me to NOT be in an Echo Chamber. Every Obama supporter it seems instantly resorts to insults instead of facts or even a decent rebuttal of what anyone that speaks against him. You are instantly labeled a racist, ignorant, redneck, dittohead, etc. Not simply someone that disagrees, but someone that they deem doesnt think because you dont concede to Obama's every whim simply because he is the first black president. Its truly sad and i almost feel sorry for these people, but i just cant feel that much pity for people that are willfully ignorant. At least those that disagree try to listen to the other side as painful as it is.
Barb - There are LAWS in place regarding public payment for abortions. Are you a legal professional? Is your interpretation the end all? What is this about a "sly way". Please explain. It is sly statements like yours with no proof that can't be easily proven wrong that has many people barking up the wrong tree. Too bad . . . . .how easily the mob is swayed.
This goes much deeper than healthcare reform. This President wants to destruct and dismantle a very powerful country and put another face on it. His belief is shaping up this way: This country should not be a leader, just another so-so place in which to live. And, because we are so mean, we need to be punished for our crimes against humanity. I have seen real radicals since the 1960's...although driven underground to work in our schools...they have now reemerged. This President has brought chaos into our lives. It will not stop. This President is a far-left radical and that will never change.
This goes much deeper than healthcare reform. This President wants to destruct and dismantle a very powerful country and put another face on it. His belief is shaping up this way: This country should not be a leader, just another so-so place in which to live. And, because we are so mean, we need to be punished for our crimes against humanity. I have seen real radicals since the 1960's...although driven underground to work in our schools...they have now reemerged. This President has brought chaos into our lives. It will not stop. This President is a far-left radical and that will never change.
Arlene Grady:
Doesn't the bible teach not to judge? What are you doing right now?
He still said nothing specific; and I still don't buy the message. He says illegals will not be covered under this system but you can't ask for documentation to prove citizenship; REALLY, how dumb does he think we are???
I agree with Lauren! Obama's speech was just "more of the same", just sugar coated and "reassuring." "Just trust me" should have been the theme of that speech. How many press conferences and speeches and joint sessions of Congress does it take for Americans to realize that Obama clearly is incompetent and has no executive experience!!! He has never run a business, had to make a payroll (I have), etc. It's appalling to think that so many of the American people (and illegal voters, signed up with the help of ACORN) elected this illegal alien to the highest office!
Yes, I'm a proud "birther." It defies common sense and logical sense that we currently don't have some process in which if someone runs for the presidency, they MUST show an ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, not the fake piece of junk Obama claims is his "birth certificate" when in fact, it was only a "Certification of live birth" -- no, a birth certificate shows the doctor who delivered the baby, the time and date of birth and the hospital. Why would Obama spend over $1 million with three different law firms to FIGHT the two dozen (and counting) lawsuits demanding he come up with ORIGINAL birth certificate if he is truly a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?!? The answer is simple -- he knows he is not. He was born in Mombassa, Kenya and KNOWS it, as does his wife, I'm sure. It's appalling to think that we have a usurper POSING as our president! The man is a liar as well as an illegal alien posing as president! I pray he will be impeached, outed for the fraud that he is, and then criminally prosecuted for falsifying documents he signed attesting to the "fact" that he is a natural born citizen (all IL state law requires of residents running for president. Another thorny issue that should be changed -- why isn't it a FEDERAL requirement that is met?!?). World Net Daily has a lot of info on the Obama birth certificate issue, along with info on Dr. Orly Taitz, DDS and Esquire (lawyer) who is persistently filing motions to have her lawsuit hired. She is a LEGAL immigrant who worked hard to make the life she has in the US. She came from an Eastern European communist country where her parents told her to ignore that way of thinking, to study hard and become something. Don't settle for hand outs. Maybe more Americans should subscribe to this philosophy. IMPEACH OBAMA!
Is that JANE or JANINE GARAFAHO,
Republicans rely on facts and we are by far the most patriotic. Come to Boston and walk with me down the Freedom trail and I will be happy to discuss the facts with you, while passing bystatues of the original patriots who made our lives worth living! Dope!
During President Obama's speech last night, not once did I hear him say " I hear you America". He wants so bad to be the one president to get through this particular bill because he wants to be the first to go down in the history books as achieving his goal. It is not enough to be the first black president to be recorded in the history books.
Wonder how much longer I can say that I am a Voter? He is indoctrinating the children, he is creating citizen armies, he wants to control the internet and radio, he is another Chavez
And yes, any one can 'deliver' a speech ... and we know by now his speeches are not worth the telepromter they are viewed on!!!
America, wake up! Look at the actions not words.
This is your life, this is your country and your place in this world.
Unless we see numbers that add up, until we see the what it means in practical terms, he is not to be beleived!
He is not worthy to be a leader, he is not a leader, and we should make it clear we are not taken by pretty language, finger waving, rhetoric.
Thomas Jefferson said it best.... "A government big enough to give everything you want, is big enough to TAKE away everything you have" & "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can PREVENT the government from wasting the labors of the pepole under the PRETENSE of taking care of them"
I do believe it is time for the President to start listening to the "We the People" and stop spending our hard earned money towards socialism and then critize us when we disagree with how the governement spends our money. The constitution was founded on "In God We Trust" not Obama care.
This is America We don't Redistrubute Wealth, YOU EARN IT!
What are the success of the Obama administration so far?
Tom Daschale
Bill Richardson
Van Johnson
Henry Louis Gates
Sota Mayor
Air Force One Fly-over
Stimulus Package
Apologizing for America overseas
Cap and Tax
etc.
Do you still get that tingling feeling up your leg?
Feel free to add to the list!
HealthCare, Cap and Tax or any other initiative being debated means nothing when compared to our National Security. 8 Years ago we were reminded of the fact that there is pure evil that escapes no one. What is this administration doing to increase our national security, which is the mandate the consitution states. HealthCare is not. While his administration ponders these Ideal scenerios, we are more at risk of attack then ever before. The evil ones know he is not addressing them, so it's just like he is saying to them, "Have At Us" Our relationship with our stongest partner, Israel, is failing and our brave men and women continue to die for our freedoms and protection, and all this administration can think about is Healthcare? Where are the secure borders? Stronger inspections of cargo ships? Right now, I could care less about making sure everyone is insured (and by the way, are we going to turn away Illegal Alliens from the emergency rooms when they need care? Of course not, so they will be covered no matter what the hell he says) I care about the lives of millions of people who have the possibility of being wiped out because this administration is so focused on things that should be WAY DOWN on the priority list.
Pray for our service men and women, as I can assure you that is not something that happens in the White House anymore.
Nostradamus,
Thanks for the correction. I must admit my Aunt, Father etc. all had Alzehimer's and died and I worry about it too.
However, that does not take away from what is right and what is wrong, a good bill from a bad and pure mean people. I graduated from Duke, sorry.
Jane, why are you afraid of the democratic process. Robots are those who agree with EVERYTHING that the government throws at them. The beauty of what the founding fathers created was a process where all voices could be heard, where you could disagree with the government, where you could be part of the process. Why are you opposed to this freedom? Are you expecting everyone to blindly agree with the President and the government? How frightening that would be since that is how democracy is lost?
Theresa Teresavage:
It was addressed to the people and to joint congress. He wants this to work because its a serious issue. Did you watch it? Because if you watched it, it was put on television for you. Oh and its on every national news website available. Ps. Check out his website because its on there too. Also, on that note 80 percent of the plan is agreed upon by both parties!
Where do people get off saying this guy (Obama) is a great orator? I recommend they listen to some of Pres. John F. Kennedy's speeches. Most are available on the internet. You won't even recognize Obama as having any talent by listening to just a few. The contrast is remarkable!
Are you kidding? He lied through his teeth. He thinks our current healthcare system is taxing us? Try the bailouts and excessive spending he and Congress are doing. Now there's the truth...
The more I watch these clowns that are running our country (both sides of the aisle) the more disgusted I get. I am reg republican but will very soon be an independant. The debate over health care has made it very clear to me that the people in DC do not think that Americans have any power and are all stupid people that need to be taken care of. They all have an agenda and it is mostly to gain power, popularity, and money. They are in bed with each other, unions, and special interests to achieve these. They need to get out and in bed with The People of this country before we throw them out. I wished that I could be in DC on Sat but I know people that will be there. 9/12ers show them who has the power. Make us proud!!!
Jane thanks for the laugh! You must be so proud to be the only patriot in American today. Just keep that blindfold on sister it will make swallowing BO's #$##@ a lot easier for you.
Do you liberals ever have an independent thought? It's almost as if Obama told you to go jump off a bridge you would. What do you have to say about his Green Czar, Van Jones, admitting that he is a Radical Communist Revolutionary, and he's not the only one in the Administration's Czars. Do you even understand what the proposed health bill means to you and just who do you think is going to pay for it -- you and every one else in this country -- economically and the quality of care. Maybe you should do some research and see how it really goes in Canada and Great Britain.
To all of you screaming, blinded, deaf and deceived liberals who commented here and found any kind of truth in that so called "speech" last night, I'll quote the greatest truth ever written....the Bible. "The foolish will confound the wise." Consider yourself confounded.
@Arlene
I'm glad you found that wisdom in the bible, because the only ones confounding are right wing nuts in town hall meetings.
I would really like it when people ask themselves, why would Obama lie?
I posted a comment before, going over that and really, theres no reason for him to lie about any of this. The bill won't make him any money, won't make him popular if it doesn't work. It just wouldn't make sense.
The bible also says something about caring for people in need. Inviting those who have no food to eat at your table. But of course that could not be linked to health care, where the well off pay a little more to "feed" the poor.
Oh well...
The problem is that many of you that say you live by the bible only follow the parts that suit you. I've heard that many opposed to this bill are saying that lazy people will take advantage and live out of our pockets. Thats very convenient to say isn't it? What about the other millions of people that work harder than you do for minimum wage and are not able to provide health care for their families?
If you feel that the entire idea is bad because of the few idiots that feel it's good to live out of our pockets should mean that everyone else can go **** themselves, then you should check yourself. The reason these people are taking advantage is because of a mentality issue. Straighten those people out instead of punishing the ones that deserve our help.
My understanding of the Presidents health program is that it would be similar to the HMO's. They seemed good at first, but the insured soon found out they were limited on coverage, tons of paper work for the doctors office, doctors reimbursed poorly and looking for another insurance plan after the yearly contract due to insurance co. going out of business. The big question is WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?
Obama would make a wonderful car salesman. Very smooth in the delivery of others words and thoughts. Now if he just had some of his own that would be nice. People talked about Bush and his lack of communications skills, but at least you felt he was being honest and sincere. Obama reminds me of some people I have worked for, always smiling saying the right things all the while stabbing you in the back.
I said it once and ment it. Liar, liar pants on far. Yoll ougt to muve here to SC where we call a .... (well you know wut I mane). Keep them socalists out of ar country.
Ram Emanul, I didnt relly mene it wen i aopolojized!!!
I just read some interesting info:
Obama's first 6 months he:
Offended the Queen of England
Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega
Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on cheek
Endorsed Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
Sided with Chavez and Fidel Castro against Honduras.
Gave away billions to AIG without pre-conditions
Expanded Bailouts
Insulted Special Olympians
Doubled our National Debt
Circled the glove to publicly apologize for Amerca
And on, and on, and on Too Many More to List, DUH AMERICANS! Wake Up Democrats! Your hatred of Republicans in skewing your rationale.
I AM AN INDEPENDENT!
In Response to Jane at the top of the page: Get a clue. You must be a city bottom dweller to really believe in the tripe you do.
Fox is the most accurate, and balances news ever. How much is ACORN paying you to infiltrate legitimate websites and blog your hate?
Obama is going to lose this, and his presidency do to his march towards Communism.
LOL looking at this poll 91% saying they werent convinced doesnt surprise me at all specialy on this site... See no matter what the President do its never going to be enough for republican period i mean this president we have could come out and say i'm going to sign every bill put foward by the republican party and they will still look to find somthing to bash him with... I bet allot of republicans took advantaged of the CASH FOR CLUNKER program tough.....
What does any of this discussion matter, according to the Great One, most of us will be dead by the end of the year!
Obama has no qualities remotely close to what a President of the United States of American should possess. He is not the President of all the people. He is the president of those who who worship him and his ideology. He speaks the most disrespectful of Americans who disagree with him than any person who disagrees with him. I do not condone Rep. Wilson's outburst during his speech but I certainly understand the raw emotion that caused it. We are all about at our wits end with this man who parades around as our President. Obama does lie and misconstrue and hide his true agenda, not only on this healthcare debate, but on almost everything. He did it in the campaign and he thinks he can get away with it as our President. Sooner or later someone will find the proof of his dishonest dealings, starting back in Chicago, and we can impeach this imposter. I'm sickened by his arrogance and grasp for unprecedented power. Americans were bamboozled but it's their own fault for believing this man despite all of his proven "friends" or "acquaintances" that he has hung with for years. If we don't impeach him, we better pray that we can hold onto our country as the American of Washington and Jefferson and Adams until we can vote him out in 2012.
Last nite the President demeaned the White House. Lies that him try to make me to swallow. I am a beliver that good behaviour, an respect to the office of the President is not for ever, when we as Americans feel that we are taken for idiots. I am a Latino and a democrat BUT FIRST IN THE COUNTRY. Mr. Obama is just a good presenter (charlatan)with no substance and a divider in America TODAY, Sergio
He's the Manchurian Candidate.
Representative Wilson's shout "You Lie" sums it all up for me when it comes to Pres OB. He will say anything to get your vote or approval & then he does what he wants. Why won't the American people wake up to his "bait & switch"
strategy? I started tuning him out after his election when it was clear his campaign speeches were nothing more then lies!!!!!
He & the Dems will stomp all over our constitutional rights if we let them.
We must continue to let our voices be heard & "stay the course". A Patriot
Obama's plan is laced with holes and promotes unionization of the health care industry so he can pay of the unions for their support by swelling their ranks and filling their bank accounts. The unions will then offload their underfunded pension health care costs to the public option. This coupled with the illegal immigrants added to the roles by Obama granting ammensty will bankrupt this economy. Read the bill it is all their.
What a stupid poll - shouldn't the answers to the question be:
Yes: from oppose to agree
Yes: from agree to oppose
No: Still oppose
No: Still Agree
This is for Jane. No respect for the presidency? Non-patriotic? I'm an independent, but you truly show your ignorance with comments like that. Most of the military are Republican or have Republican leanings. Have you served in the military? Are you willing to lay your life on the line to protect the freedoms that we "Thank God" still have? If you support President Obama and most of his policies, you are the one who is non-patriotic. This man is going to be the ruination of America and what many of us have fought so hard to preserve. Talk about robots walking in lockstep. You obviously have no ability to think for yourself. You believe the rhetoric written by men who wish to change America into a Fascist or Communist state that is then regurgitated on a mesmerized public by a talented "Reader". President Obama is a liar, as evidenced by his speech last night. He stood in front of a joint session and boldfaced lied. So much so that one member of congress lost his composure and made a terrible blunder by actually calling the President a liar during his speech. I do not condone that behavior, but understand his consternation. No man, not even the President of the United States of America, should be allowed to spew such prevarications without being challenged in some way, but it should have been handled differently. If you truly wish to live in an ObamaNation, there are plenty of other countries that ascribe to his Marxist views. Venezuela comes to mind for one. You are welcome to leave at any time. If America is so bad, why are people risking their lives trying to get here. Unlike most countries that make it difficult for their citizens to leave, we have to make laws limiting how many may enter. Go figure!
Obama at his usual, same rhetoric, nothing new, he has no idea how to implement a health program that will be beneficial to the American people, as he does not listen to the American People, only Pelosi and Reed, and they are pro America, why anyone ever listens to liberal TV is amazing as they never report what is accurate, you only get both sides from Fox News.
When he continually looks his nose down at the American people, which he does to anyone who opposes his opinion, then he is taking freedom of speech, ideas, etc. away from the American People, he is a dangerous man and with his Czars, who knows what will happen here in our great Country, whatever he says, is the opposite of what his actions are.
If he had any backbone, he would be doing an intensive investigation into ACORN, but then again, guess they helped him, so why would he?
Very Scary
Gov't can't run this progran efficiently. The President refuses to take on the lawyers or provide for interstate competition among private companies.
Mr. President: you are a liar.
Why is it ever time you read one of these comment sections, it sound like the liberals, the democrats, or the so called angry republicans who are mad at the party, are all the same guy sitting in some ACORN war room doing damage control on the fox website? All the comments are scripted, the same theme, and play off of each other. The names are not ever creative. All the angry republicans are "Republican XYZ" who supports Obama and angry at the right.
Oh, and all the calls patriotism and support for the president... how many of you were doing that under Bush??? I am willing to be its all the people who went around calling Bush an idiot that want patriotism now from the other side in the face or socialism....
All President Obama does is present lies, lies and many more lies! He may be the President but this speech was too long, dull and full of the same lies and he said NOTHING to the American People to change their minds about this horrific healthcare system! I was just too happy to hear the Senator that finally called him a liar to his face!!! That is one of the things I wish I could say personally to him, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the list goes on and on....President Obama lives in a dream world that does not fit in with reality. He is so controlled by political groups that he cannot stand on his own two feet!
He has not said one thing about Van Jones and he said he did not know Bill Ayers, but yet he surrounds himself with radicals! He won't be happy until he turns our America into a communist country! America wake up is all I can say...DO NOT let him take 'YOUR COUNTRY' away!!! Listen to FOXNATION all the way...they are completely fair and balanced...the way it should be and you would all learn a lot if you would just listen and learn the TRUE facts!!!
Brad, get a grip. Stop being a terrorist for the Republican jihad.
Jane, where was your patriotism during 9/11 and post 9/11? Funny, the quit majority is speaking up and all you can do is say what a joke the Fox News poll is...then why are you even interested? Where was the respect for President Bush? The main stream media always lambasted him and ridiculed him for his determination to protect this country. President Obama did nothing to change my mind on this issue, he just helped prove that the plan is vague and weak. It still needs a lot of work, and if you would have read it you can not determine if Illigal residents are covered or not...so to say they are not is a mis-direction until they put specific information in the bill that states they are not covered...which, could be viewed as a lie.
OBAMA IS A COMPULSIVE LIAR
I WILL WATERBOARD HIM AND HE WILL ADMIT HE WAS NOT BORN HERE .
WHY WASTE TRILLIONS ON HEALTH CARE, IT IS BETTER SPENT ON
PROTECTING THE COUNTRY . PAYING BRAVE SUPPLIERS LIKE KBR
AND HALLIBURTON TO SUPPLY OUR TROOPS . HE IS A PHONY ACT .
I WOULD NEVER LIE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC .
SORRY, GO TO GO HUNTING . DICK
One more thing I want to say...
I am fed up with Obama acting like the professor and lecturing us in his "beautiful speeches." Who does he think he is? Well, we know the answer to that. I am also sick of seeing his face on TV every single day, talking at us. I wish he would sit down at his desk in that great Oval Office and do some heavy lifting. Read the damn health bills being proposed in detail. Then, start spending his time on things that matter the most...protecting our country. Oh, I'm sorry, he can't do that...he is the one who thinks the terrorists and radical Muslims of the world are misunderstood and that we brought it on ourselves.
I just want him to go away or at least stay off the television for a few months. We've seen more of him since his swearing in than we saw of Reagan, Bush I & II, and Clinton all combined...and we're only 8 months into his presidency. If he's on, I just switch channels or turn off the TV now because I can't stand hearing him lecture us one more minute.
He is in love with himself. He is a poster boy for narcisism. He is power hungry. His wife is the dangerous one. She is the radical one and introduced him to her radical friends and chose the church they would attend (remember Rev. Wright?). She's smart. Watch her in the background. She tries to be white by having her hair straightened and spends all those $$$s on her make up and clothes...she loves being rich but condemns all capitalists. What a pair they make. Where is a Jeffersonian when we need one? Our country is in peril.
Wow, so many people are coming from such a place of fear. This bill is not going to give the government "unprecedented control of our lives." Do you like Social Security? Do you like Medicaid and Medicare? Do you like the health care coverage you currently have? Then you'll be able to keep it. Everyone needs to take a deep, collective breath.
All FOX surveys a joke, huh? What do you call CNN's poll showing double digit increase in approval for Obama's plan as a result of speech while saying this on their own site: "18% of respondents who participated in tonight's survey identified themselves as Republicans, 45%... as Democrats, and 37%...as Independents." A bit skewed, no? Lock step my asp! MSNBC, NBC, NYT, LAT, CNN, CBS, ABC, WP, about 80% of the media is in LOCK STEP with this admin's ideas.
well first off after all these years, i own a home that is paid for worth $300,000 plus. 2nd have you ever heard of savings. when you live on a bugget you can save quiet a bit. 3rd i have GREAT credit. and no credit cards and our cars are paid for. and we are retired, how about you, Nostradamus!
Funny, doesn't matter if you read a story on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or wherever. There are always 1000 posts after it from everyday people that have no clue about what their talking about. A few years ago it was mindless hate against Bush with never a single fact or resource to back what their saying, now its Obama. This doesn't go for every post, just most of them. Some of you actually take the time to learn what the truth is and provide proof and resources for what you say, and bravo zulu to you. As for the rest of you, liberals, moderates, and conservatives who come on these sites and spew garbage filled with hate when your level of knowledge on these subjects is nil, please for the sake of NOT making America look any dumber do your homework. A major problem some of you have is you get all your news from one place, and always from major outlets. No one is telling you the full truth ever, there is always spin, YOU HAVE TO LEARN FROM DIVERSE SOURCES. I'm sure my message falls on deaf ears here, but anyone tell me why its a bad idea to get your news from as many sources as possible.... I want to hear that one, because its not a bad idea :P Hopefully someday they label all posts that cant be fact checked as opinion and provide filters so real conversation can take place on these comment sections.
Christopher Rulo USN
Obviously some people have no clue how well Fox News truly does present more trustworth news than those other media's. I would say with 100% certainty, I have no respect for the man elected into office, his name and the word "President" will never come out of my mouth together. It's sad how the democratic party has changed, they don't even stand for what they were originally founded. This man is helping to bring great divide to this great nation. Lies, lies and more lies, obama and his administration are more like tyrants then free world leaders....they want to control every aspect of our lives. If you can't see that, you're a big idiot then them.
ALL RED BLOODED AMERICANS WILLING TO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS AND KEEP THIS COUNTRY STRONG IN CAPITALISM...... DON'T FORGET SATURDAY IS THE BIG TEA PARTY IN WASHINGTON DC.....IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT WATCH IT ON THE FOX NEWS CHANNEL - GLEN BECK - I believe from noon to 3pm (double check that time)
I'm ready to fight for my grandparents, parents, and children......We all deserve better than this........
It's time to vote out those idiots who have held those seats in the House far to long and NOT listened to the people.
Neither Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid are by law intended to compete with, regulate or supplant private insurance and open competition. The bills being proposed and the president's plans do, and move the country to a one payer system through government health care for all, not just seniors or the qualifying poor. Apples and oranges to compare. By the way, the existing programs are all under funded and headed for insolvency. That's the track record of the federal government. You want more of the same? And why is it now 30 million uninsured? Thought it was 45 million? Who make up the 15 million? Illegals? Leave them out of the number now so he can say they aren't in the plan? Do you think we are fools?
Let's face the facts, this President is and always shall be less than truthful. Many seem to say he is such a good speaker, I on the other hand find his speeches so extraneous, deceitful, chocked full of ridiculous rhetoric and frankly I am astonished he can hold his miserable head up in society. What a blatant liar. What an accomplished user. What a thoroughly repulsive egomaniac. I cannot believe anything he says and that is so frustrating because he, as the President, cannot seem to understand what this country needs.
Want to do us all a service get rid of H. Clinton and stop making us loose face internationally. Get rid of N. Pelosi that nasty, mean spirited, wild eyed nincompoop along with the rest of the cast of jackasses, Harry Reid, Charlie Wrangle, Chuckie "Hair Club Are Us" Schumer and let's keep going down the line until we have people in office who really can pass a suitability for employment investigation.
Stop stealing from the elderly. Get rid of lawyers in healthcare tort reform needed, investigate insurance companies for their past practices and hammer when necessary, remove pre-existing illness from the picture, remove caps on insurance ceilings, allow inter-state insurance, and so on. Let's do something as a nation this time, for the people of this nation with out paying through the nose for the politics.
Obama, you are no friend to America. Step down, get the hell out, take the rest of the crooks with you and move to some other country that embraces socialism. Before you go get out of healthcare.
typical poltics of charisma but no substance
health care is dead
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Obama's speech was very disappointing as the chip on his shoulder gets bigger.. this independent says it was a long waste of my time.
What part of forcing one to buy something is a choice? It is not constitutional, as congress only has powers to levy and collect taxes. Even car insurance has an opt-out clause in the form of posting a bond, and you don't have to buy it if you don't drive in the first place. This reform is about so much more than health care. It is about government power and the government wants it all.
The old saying that "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" definitely applys here. The government is corrupt already. Now they want absolute power.
Also, objections to the healh care proposals aren't a political party issue by nature, but are an ideological nature. We want government to form very limited restrictions on our lives, and only to the extent to facilitate fair and balanced trade with our fellow country men, and to provide for the common defense of the nation. We don't want government telling us we can't pray to Jesus in schools, but must allow (and hear) those who pray to some other god or the diatribe of those who don't believe in any god. We don't want government telling us we must buy anything either.
Obama lied in his speach. He keeps ignoring the fact that HR3200 has a clause that would allow the national health care administrator to remove whole plans from the program or to kick individuals off of their plan. He ignored so many other parts of the bill that are contradictory to his statements that the response to his WHOLE speach is "YOU LIE!!!!"
Obama's speach was like a word puzzle where there is one square missing and you slide the each square around to properly properly position them to spell a word. He just slide the parts around some, and stuck the "public option" in the "public marketplace." In this case, no matter how Obama slides the squares around, the word is always is POWER.
This is for Kay. I believe your faith in Fox News as an unbiased source of information is sadly misplaced. There is no major news outlet that provides total coverage, they all report around what their viewers want to see and here. Media is for profit, therefor all reports by major media outlets are spun to give the largest audience what they want to see. Don't believe everything the mass media tells you, thats why they exist now in the way they do; to alter your state of mind. To encourage you to believe something by saying it over and over again. Never defend mass media, they may report whats going on, but never what they don't want you to hear.
THREE CHEERS JEFF ON YOUR COMMENT BACK YO JANE. How can we trust this plan when it is going to be funded with waste money from Medicare. Since Medicare is broke, how can it pay for a new health plan. Why not fix Medicare first. Not talked about was covering illegals, paying for abortions, and tort reform was only touched upon - he did not say anything about reforming it. Let's see if he will actually talk to the Republicans now - open his door - and make changes to the current plan. He is a great speaker but says WORDS - JUST WORDS - NOT ACTUAL FACTS. It doesn't sound like he listened to what the American people have been saying to him. NO TO THIS HEALTH PLAN AS IS!!
A long fancy speech with no new ideas.
Revenue neutral? How dumb does he think we are?? Dems are
crying foul at someone yelling "You Lie!" at the President. Dems routinely
called President Bush a liar and often did it when he was visiting a foreign country so as to embarass him and the nation.
jane, your racism and name calling do NOT affect those of us who have functioning brains. HRH and his Chicago goon squad thought they were walking into mindless Chicago, no opposition, politics as usual and they do not know what to do but "LIE".
Why are the Republicans not writing bills for Congress to get rid of Medicare that seems pretty Socialist to me. Why are they letting our Vets suffer under that terrible run government system the Veteran Administration. Wake up and lets get real. If you really stand by less government do something about it. If you believe in free market let our Seniors and Vets purchase their own Insurance with vouchers, credits, competition etc. Propose a bill that phase out these wasteful systems. Double standard at its best.
I do believe that somewhere in the constitution it says "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The word "Life" comes first for a good reason. The American dream can be regained if liberty is taken away, for liberty can be returned. Happiness likewise may be lost and found soon after. Life however, never has the luxury of a second chance. Once lack of preventative care or medical coverage puts you simultaneously in bankruptcy and on your death bed, it is over. There is no reset button. I ask people to think about whether they know anyone who has suffered a serious illness and how it has affected their finances. Even with health insurance people loose everything. People who pay their premiums, people who budget and save daily are dropped for supposed pre-existing conditions, or simply beacause the stock ticker of that insurance company will go up a fraction of a percent. Isn't it time that we guarantee that first and most important right...LIFE
p.s. To all those who are afraid of the government deciding whether you get care or not i say this. I FEAR THE BOTTOM LINE OF AN INSURANCE COMPANY A LOT MORE.
I'm not sure which I find more insulting...the fact that he can stand before Congress and lie to the American people or the fact that he and his administration believe we are so stupid that we don't understand simple math, can't read and can't comprehend simple logic. Maybe it's our fault...maybe we've been too silent for too long and allowed career politicians to start believing this is their country to do with as they wish, regardless of how the rest of us feel about it.
Fair and balanced??? Fox News is a joke. Lies and exaggerations are NOT news! You can fool some of the people some of the time.
I went to CNN's website and the Obama Health Care article is brought to you by Bank of America. Yet, Fox biased? haha!
MJ Riney, HRH is very favorable to abortion, he stated he will not repeal the "Hyde Amendment" that forbids "tax" money paying for abortions however, this does not exclude them/him mandating that insurance co. pay for them. Read the "Freedom of Choice Act," sponsored by HRH and hillary, and boxer and fiestein in 2007. He favors abortion on demand up to and including late term abortion for the "...economic and social (there's that word, "social") well being of a woman." WHAT???? Check it out.
I think our president needs to re-think his options. Clearly there is little support for his IDEAS. As president Mr. Obama is obligated to hear any and all clear and concise IDEAS about what should be done with Health Care as he said every one agrees there is a problem.
I am still unclear as to WHY he does not like the IDEA about allowing Health Insurance companies selling insurance across state lines? Also what is so wrong with the IDEA that ALL people involved with Health Care be held accountable for missusing or defrauding the Health Care System? After all the House and Senate are responsible for enacting LAWs this is clearly an issue that needs definite guidelines. Futher together with the Department of Justice the House and Sentae could mandate stiff penalties for any and all offenders to include Monetary fines and Jail time.
Fox news is real and dangerous threat to the character of this country. It is NOT fair and balanced. Fox news lies and continues to distort the facts. Fox news delights in instilling fear into american people for their selfish attempt at political gain. Media is a powerful tool that is abused and misused by this news network. For those of you who respect and choose to watch this news network, you owe it to yourself to find out the story behind fox news, who is running it, the power that is abused and the way in which they profit from feeding you misinformation. If you choose to continue to watch and respect that network that is up to you, but you owe it to yourself to dig a little deeper and understand that this is a huge money making corporation founded on greed, ask yourself why you have placed your trust in this corporation?
Fox news is a laugh! For Angel: The Gov't is going to control every aspect of your life? Words to describe how "stupid" this statement are just not worth the time for people of your mentality. Go eat a donut!
Susan what's that you were saying about being fooled?? Why are you on this site if you're sooooo in favor of HRH and his policies?? WAKE UP AND OPEN UP YOU SHEEPLE EARS....
I didn't hear anything new except he might!!!! look into malpractice claims. Yeh right!!!! The only thing I heard in his speach was how the right side is lying and fear mongering then he turns right around and is fear mongering himself about all the deaths we are responsible for each day we delay. He wants to take the right side to task for their transgressions but still won't listen to the people of this country just has Pelosi and Reid call us names and belittle us. When did Washington politicians decide they are in charge and the American people don't matter any more. Do they know something about the voting process that puts everything in their pocket and takes more rights away from us???? Yes I am very afraid the country I grew up in and have always been so proud of is in trouble. I hope the KOOL AIDE drinkers wake up sooner than later when it will be tooooooo late.
S.Y. the only fools who fear FOX NEWS are those who refuse to hear the TRUTH...and it's not coming out of Washington.
Well said S.Y I believe that extends to all major media outlets as well.
anyone that believes that the government is only out for the good of the people needs to get their head out of the sand. Read history, read the constitution. Washington has never been for anyone or anythng that they didn't or couldn't get something for themselves. A public option is the people paying more for government's creed. A public option is not free the money will come from us. Wake up call for the people that can't decide what side of the issues they are on and pity for the ones that think the public option is a good thing, for they will be the first one crying.
Susan....who dropped the acid into your Kool Aide???
Of course you can't change the mind of Republicans. I'm really glad you are not the majority of Americans. I am very proud of our President. This is a once in a lifetime chance to fix a huge problem and President Obama is going to get it done. It might not be what every other industrialized nation has, which is a form a guaranteed government health care, but I'm sure it will be the best we can do considering all of the stupid obstructionist "conservatives" standing in the way.
Change has come. Choke on it Repubs.
callie please don't tell me your so dedicated to this news agency that you blindly believe everything they tell you.... If you want real truth get on the ground and look for yourself, read what REAL PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS, not media companies say is going on. Take Fox News and major media outlets for what their worth, a starting point to find out the truth through your own research.
hay sy if you know the TRUTH about Fox News let us hear it.
Susan...you need to chill...you are all over the place, FOX is a bunch of liars and then you go off an a tangent about the government...what ARE you talking about and this question comes from an Independent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w39FnpuMRfo watch the trailer.
The more that I hear the president speak, the more he loses his credibility, which he's lost in my mind a long time ago. It is obvious to me that he thinks the American people are dumb.
Logically, there is not way to cover all those extra people without it costing us mega money and the care people receive will suffer.
Private insurance companies will not be able to compete with the public plan and everyone that has coverage today, will eventually be forced in to the governments plan because their employers will go to the public plan over the private one. Government does not belong in the private sector- ever.
Congress and the president represent us and the people have been speaking very loudly on this topic. Anyone not listening to the people they represent should be voted out of office the next election.
IF YOU SUPPORT OBAMA THEN YOU MIGHT AS WELL SUPPORTED HILTER AS WELL CAUSE SOONER OR LATER WE'RE LOSE OUR FREEDOM CAUSE YOU PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT OBAMA IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER HILTER WHICH OUR FORE FATHERS DIED FOR IS OUR FREEDOM. IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT FREEDOM JUST KEEP HIM IN OFFICE AND WHEN HE DOES TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM THEN YOU CAN BLAME YOURSELF.
I agree with the congressman from South Carolina; or might I say, each time the wind changes direction so does the Obama administration.
Obama is a disgrace to the black race. AT jsut 12% black I quess they can call him whitey. They have a choice. hA hA
Obama did nothing but parrot the far left's defense for HR3200 that an overwhelming majority of concerned bi-partisan citizens expressed this summer during the town hall meetings. Obama may have bullied and silenced many of those sincere Americans, as they struggled to have their voices heard, amid heckles, boos and violence by ACORN and SEIU employees, but the facts remain the same... this bill stinks. It will bankrupt our country, destroy our medical system, and force rationing in the most morbidly inhumane ways... only a cruel inhuman communist non-American would champion this bill. Need I say more, Mr. Obama?
Funny how all you FOX haters are browsing their website.....
First I would like to say that I think Obama is a good guy, I dont hate him. He comes from a different walk in life and I dont agree with everything he is about. This healthcare plan is so out of touch with America, but I believe his intentions are good. I have been listening closely to see if one side or the other makes complete sense to me. I have to say that after hearing the rebutle and reading the literature on their GOP website about healthcare, its not nearly as extreme and seems to head in the right direction. Why cant we try the obvious ways to improve healthcare first? Destroying the monopoly that the healthcare companies have by ridding of the inability to shop across state lines is a no-brainer. Lets see if the straight forward approach without fuzzy math and crazy wishes works first, if not, I guess we could try the extreme approach but in my opinion I think I would rather see it stay as it is than what it will be if this goes thru.
DOES THIS MEAN CLEAN UP WELFARE FRAUD, UNEMPLOYMENT FRAUD, GOVERMENT FRAUD,ACORN FRAUD, UNTIL OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATES CUT THIS AREA FIRST, AMERICANS WILL NEVER TRUST HIM,,,,,OBAMA HAS CONTINUED TO CUT THE BUSH TAX,,,OBAMA ISN'T DOING A THING TO HELP AMERICANS TROOPS, MORE HAVE DIED UNDER OBAMAS WATCH,,,,,OBAMA WORKS HARDER TO COVER UP THE TRUTH, AND AMERICANS GOT WISE TO OBAMA FROM DAY ONE, THE GUY LIES TO MUCH,
Jen, that is funny how the brainwashed by mainstream media people are on this site. They are so stubborn or just incompetent...I can't figure the best answer on that one. Maybe it's both.
callie
2009-09-10 17:32:45 ET
Susan....who dropped the acid into your Kool Aide???
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Callie incase you didn't realize there are two Susan's on here so before you start attacking anyone named Susan you need to know what you are talking about. I added a G to my name so maybe you will be able to tell the difference. I know when in doubt attack and name call.......
the bigotry of this network and its followers is unbelievable.
Nothing wrong with Fox, or MSNBC, or CNN if you take them for what they are, I read all of them. But taking them for complete truth.... not reallly.
Jaz...Thanks for quoting the bible. My husband and I have spent 13 years sacraficing and struggling to give our daughter a private Christian education and in a few days she will be washing the feet of homeless living under bridges in Portland. She is also a nursing student and plans to dedicate her life to missions around the world. So I think I understand what the Bible says and how we should live like Christ. I just don't believe that it is the Governments role to dictate it. It is not a constitutional right or a God Given right to have health insurance just like it isn't a right to drive a car. These are all priviledges of our society. I lived with out insurance and I have lived with very little money and at times with no employment. I still have my home, still put her through school, have perfect credit. It is simply about making choices and sacrafices. People need to deciede what is most important to them. Our country is one of the most generous in the world and we are filled with philanthropy. If we allow the government to spread the wealth...we will become a nation of uniform mediocrity. No one will want to do more or give more because they are already forced to. Non-profits organizations that do good things for others will suffer greatly. Is this what we want to happen??
Maybe Jane should move out of the country. Republicans are the ones paying the bills.
Change???????????/ I'd like mine back, please. The congressman who yelled "You Lie" has my admiration. I would love to say the same thing to BO, Plastic Palosi, Heinous Harry, and the rest of the idiots on Capital Hill.
Change???? More like "Bend Over"
That was a wonderful 35 minute lie wasnt it? Nothing that man said was true except that we need to do tort reform and he didnt even say that he just said that we need to take a look at it. Those who believe what he says should go read the words of other fascists when they addressed the people... you'll notice striking similarities. To the people posting here calling fox names ... why dont you look at msnbc before you criticize fox.
I think Rep. Joe Wilso (from South Carolina) did what the majority of Americans wanted to do -- call Obama out on his lies! I applaud the Congressman. If only all our representatives had the kutspa to do the same! I've tried to get on his website (joewilson.house.gov) to thank him but it is jammed up due to high traffic. Even though I don't live in South Carolina, I also intend to contribute to his campaign to ensure we don't lose someone who actually speaks for the people. I hope most of you do the same -- that'll show all those Republicans, Democrats & pundits who disparaged his remark to Obama that it's people like Rep. Wilson who "we, the people" really want working for us!
Jane is a joke. She ignores the other 90 percent of the media. And how they cater to liberals, and totally biased against conservatives. You would think they are paid by the Obama administration the way they gloss over and supports every he does! Talk about devisive and no respect----Look how the liberals and Demon-crats treated President Bush! Half the time the mainstream liberal news media referred to him as "Mr. Bush"--not President Bush! Then Jane has the nerve to criticize conservatives! She, and the whole Democratic party, is the real joke in America. That's the way of liberals, if you disagree with them you are " fortified by hate and divisiveness". If they disagree with you, "they are watching out for the American people". Liberals and Jane too are just a bunch of spoiled brats that can't tolerate people that have different opinions from theirs. Grow up Jane.
THIS COMMENT IS SO TRUE !
Robert Creamer: Wilson Is the Poster "Child" for the New Republican Party
Last night Joe Wilson etched his political legacy into the wall of American history. He will forever be the poster child that symbolizes the new Republican Party.
We need to look at the big picture and remember that for most of us retirement is based on businesses making a profit. We invest in those businesses by buying stock either personally or through a retirement plan provided by our employer. If insurance companies, big oil companies and others do not make profits our retirements are gone. Last night I heard that big insurance companies are evil. Remember evil pays mine and your bills and the taxes necessary to keep our government funded. I have no trust in our current President and that is supported by the people he has placed in his support positions and his hidden relegious beliefs.
Obama's long term health care plan would start after his 2nd term begins. How convenient.
THIS COMMENT IS SO TRUE !
Robert Creamer: Wilson Is the Poster "Child" for the New Republican Party
Last night Joe Wilson etched his political legacy into the wall of American history. He will forever be the poster child that symbolizes the new Republican Party.
LAST NIGHT it was not just Wilson it was also other GOP congressmen. Holding up signs, playing with their blackberries, sissing and making supid sounds. These are the future leaders of the GOP !
Wilson called Obama a liar but in fact he was lying once again. Illegal immigrants are not and never were covered in the bill. IT IS CLEARLY STATED.
After last night I am more convinced than ever that Obama's healthcare plan is not benifical to people like myself, who live paycheck to paycheck and have to watch every penny that is spent. The idea that he is proposing to force citizens to participate (pay for a plan, just as you do for car insurance ) is troublesome. Who is he to suggest that it is affordable? I can barely make ends meet, and any other required payments (such as auto insurance ) will not be affordable for me. I work for a small company and have been there for 4 years without a raise, but did talk my employers into providing me with health insurance (instead of a raise ).. Now, with the new proposed Obama plan, my company will opt out, and pay the fine.. I will be forced to purchase the universal health insurance, and still make the same income. So, as far as I am concerned, this plan will be a complete hardship on myself. If I didn't hear the words "requirement" to be under some plan, than I would be more open minded.
Obama can not use his slick talk anymore, the country is finally starting to realize he is full of crap.
I would gladly support the President "IF"
1. If the Healthcare package adds one cent to the Budget Deficit then the President, House and Senate will contribute their entire salary for that fiscal year to the Budget Deficit.
2. If the President House and Senate, will agree to enroll onto the Public Health Care Plan exclusively.
I am a skeptic that would love to be wrong.
I love it when a Democrat talks about not respecting the Presidency (Jane)...remember the last eight years of President Bush-bashing?
I guess it's different now that you have "your man" in office. Typical.
I have learned to "watch what he does" because that is most often quite different than what he "says". Because of this consistency in his behavior I do not trust anything he says. His figures don't add up and if it was so easy to clear up the waste and fraud from Medicare and Medicaid, why are we siting at the end of 2009 with it still going on. We WILL pay for illegals, they go the the hospital ERs and can't be asked for status papers, who has been paying for this all along - US, no change there. Obambi didn't seem to listen to what the public had to say during the month of August, well maybe everybody will listen up come the 2010 & 2012 elections.
Obama is our president. He is NOT our king, emperor, supreme leader, the annointed one, or feurher...although he thinks and acts like he is all the above. It's beyond all rational thinking that the deaf, dumb, blind and stupid left wing liberals continue to buy into his smooth talking pack of lies. Ignorance can be cured, but STUPID is forever. WAKE UP!!!
It would seem to me that the politicians WHO WERE THERE DID NOT CHANGE THEIR MIND. Everyone need's to be reminded to read the constitution. Where does congress or the senate’s have the right to force the people to have HEALTH CARE just like AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE, the ones who really need it will be just the ones that can’t afford it? You only get auto insurance so you can drive which is a privilege not a right. Look to each state they all have different insurance regulation's to tax and enforce this privilege, and the ones who can't afford it will be fined and punished. Cash for clunkers did the best that they could to eliminate cars that some could use. With a program that destroys functioning autos instead of passing them on to the people in need (I forgot they CAN NOT AFFORD the insurance) I still hear daily of someone who is not licensed driving. Ask any Canadian or Brittan how long do they have to wait for health care under the CANADIAN SYSTEM there it is a right but they pay with HIGHER TAXES AND LONG WAITING TIMES. Any bill that passes will be nothing more than a foot in the door for government intervention to your health.
http://itshrunk.com/93285
To all those who resent opposing viewpoints: In an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Commander Data said to someone who was forcing his ideas on a group of people without allowing any discussion or argument, "Is your position so weak that it will not stand up to debate?" How weak must this proposal be that this president can't tolerate the opinions and ideas of the millions who clearly recognize a disaster in the making?
He can continue to repeat himself and he can continue to push this message. BUT THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA ARE ON TO HIM. At no point during his speech did he acknowledge that half of the people in this country disagree with him, and no longer trust him. At no point during his speech did he say “Yo, Nanc, scrap the crap and start again!” At no point during his speech did he say, “If you read Page [x], Section [y], you will CLEARLY see that this bill will do [ABC].” Why?? BECAUSE NOTHING IN THE CURRENT BILLS SUPPORT HIS RHETORIC, BUT IN FACT DISPUTE IT. And he’s not proposing to change a single line in any of these bills. HTTP://WWW.IRRITATING.ME
Hell no! He made me more disgusted than ever. What a lying puppet.
Good for Wilson as millions of us were yelling 'liar' to our TV screens. This President is a walking lie and a Marxist to boot. Let's hope America wakes up in 16 months and boots the Dems out on their arse. How dare the President talk about 'scare tactics' and then say....and more will die? What bullshit. I am embarassed that he is our President.
If Mr. Wilson should apologize and be condemned for breaking the silence during that last B.O. repeat speech then so should the several dozens who did the same thing ...very enthusiastically .....45 other times during that speech.....Mr. Wilson spoke the truth......as Ms Nancy has removed all amendments in HR3200 that would EXCLUDE illegals..... Someone is not reading their bill!!! or which bill are we talking about.....or better yet Where's the Bill?? and... Where is the sample policy that we can view and read the fine print and then decide if we want to buy it?? THEN and only then should there be a vote on it!! You have to have all the ingredients together in one bowl to mix them together BEFORE you attempt to put the cake in the oven to bake!!!
Then you have to bake it BEFORE you serve (eat) it!!! This is all so crazy!!!!!
jane, notstrdamos,
what have you given to our country? my husband was navy, i was airforce, and my daughter is navy!!! And I am marching on washington!
Why dont we ask the troops who are fighting for this country on their input. People who say that republicans are not patriotic and un amercican need to move to canada or europe. if ur not satisfied with this country and what our founding fathers have instilled in it, then move to another country because the true americans are very happy with our country. This speech has so much of a hint of deception it is not even funny. Obama is deffinitly pushing the socialist agenda, and when poeple say that this reform is what has been being tried for 60 yrs needs to wake up smell the coffee and realize that the socialists are the ones that have been pushing for this. Not the REAL AMERICANS who believe in the constitution and every god given enaliable right we are given. It is our choice and the government is not the solution, they are the problem. The government needs to start listening and stop pushing. And as for the guy who said "u lie", I give him thanks because i was saying the same thing at the same moment and other moments like when he said this not trying to push government run healthcare. I can see right through the lies and so can the rest of people who know the process of communication and the five canons of rhetoric! Lies, Lies, and more Lies!! Why cant the President just come out and say the truth about this whole deal instead of trying to mask the REAL agenda. AND the republicans have a very good option! let the companies compete nationwide, we dont need a government option to make competition, let the private sector do it on its own, and since they DO want a government option just shows even more that they want government run healthcare, any non socialist small government person can realize the TRUE agenda of this whole deal if you know about history... I am a college student and am very worried about where this country is headed. I am from a farm and I love the outdoors, hunting, fishing, and my constitution. Take the change and change it. Because the change that Obama wants it not the change he was voted into office for, so start listening and stop pushing because im sure he wont be in office for another term unless congress makes a bill making him dictator, which by the way we are headed wouldnt suprise me if something like this was proposed. hahaha I pray starting today that people start standing up for our freedom and the constitution and that the republicans will stand togethor in REAL reform. not socialist reform..... Sorry for the bad sentence structure. just trying to get my view across. But whatever happens happens. I will say no to the government option but if it passes than thats what ill accept because I BELIEVE in the BIBLE and the truth of it. All of the things prophesied are falling into place and this is just another stepping stone for the real global agenda. Cspan is a good way of leaking out the true agenda.. And as for tommorrow I think we need a rememberence, not a nationial day of service. I mean if we are serving, who are we serving, "people who dont need the help?", no the people who need the help are the poor and a government run healthcare is not the answer, the people are the answer and the problems can be solved with the people. America is a great nation and helps out the whole world and feeds millions of mouths outside of our country. America is not IGNORANT, the OOO is for apologizing to other nations. Chavez has a point about obama, and from all the small people like myself alike agree that America is great and im sorry but we are a christian nation, there is alot of diversity, but the Christian church is the one that helps out the rest of the world, not any other religion helps out the poor or the needy like the christian church. There is a church on alot of corners of every city. I dont think Ive ever entered a city that doesnt have one. sorry for the looooonnnnnggg rant but ive never wrote my own opinions about this country before so think about it and agree to disagree
Personally the speech was inspriring, but it should of been more bi-partisan. Obama for the most part has the country's best interest in mind, he at least is in the the right frame of mind, I mean after all he is supposed to be serving the people not playing political games with Repubs and Dems. It might be that the Repubs seem a little envious that there is a Democratic president in office that can at least hold a thought. Nevertheless, I hate to sound a bit cliched but can we all just get along and let the man do his job.
Obama is a slick car salesman who could sell ice cubes to Eskimo's however what he wants should not and cannot happen. He puts too much faith in a government plan that is too big and controls our lives. I hope his plan crashes and burns. He's a one term President, Thank God!
There was a time when fear of the government was both healthy and reasonable. When our constitution was written, we, as a people, needed protection from the monopolistic and corrupt power of government. Today, however, the reality is that our recession was caused by our corrupt banking and investment industries, whose primary interests was their deep pockets and not the average Joe investor. The health insurance industry conducts "death panels" everyday when they decide it is not cost effective to keep the truly sick insured. If there is a corrupt and monopolistic power to fear today, it is the virtually unchecked power we have given to big business. The case of the Ford Pinto is the classic example of how callous big business can be when it deems foreseeable deaths to be cost effective. The unchecked power of big business is what we should fear today. If it is cost effective to layoff thousands, hire illegals or send jobs oversees, they will do it. If a product produces a high risk of death, but is cost effective, they have and will put it out on the market. Our health insurance industry exists for profit, not for our well-being and it literally has the power to make life or death decisions. I don't know about you, but to leave that type of power unchecked, unregulated and subject to corruption is indeed quite scary to me. I am not for big government. I am not for big business. I am for checks and balances. In today's reality, big business, like the insurance industry, wields too much unchecked power and corruption and I believe it is time for our Congress, not to take control, but to provide us with some measure of protection.
I hope Jane wakes up and decides not to be a pathetic moron who is so naive she believes all this bull. I also hope she doesn't have to wait 52 days to get a Dr. appt, wait 44 weeks for a hip or knee replacement or finds she or her daughter have breast cancer that has spread into two or more lymph nodes (that means more than 1) and the government plan dictates her survival rate is to low to treat. Welcome to government health care. Check it out in Canada and England. Nothing here about patriotism, it is about stupidity
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Name the worst president in my life time.
BO
you have that right!!
I think it bears repeating what someone just said on another blog about the fear tatics of the Right. Showing mushroom clouds, talking Death Panels and all the rest works with the kind of people that arent that brave to begin with. If you arent fearful by nature, it wouldnt frighten you. So, what does it say about all you idiots out there? I think this was easy enough for you to digest all on your own.
Anyone who applauds nasty behavour is a fool,or a bully. And bullies are known to be cowards as well. Have a nice day morons!
Have NEVER,EVER believed a word he's said. Pelosi looked like she was getting in shape for the 49ers with all the jumping up and down she was doing.
Last night was a testament to the first amendment relating to free speech both side's have stated their opinions it is up to us the voters to find the truth. ROOSEVELT SAID IT BEST " REPETION DOES NOT TRANSFORM A LIE INTO THE TRUTH" just because you tell a lie OVER AND OVER it still will not make it the truth http://itshrunk.com/8741c7
Tax exemptions for employees on Union health plans?!? While the rest of us and small business foot the bill? Not just no, but HELL NO!
You right wing nuts are really something else. Bush and your republi-CAN'T congress majority through 2006 drove this country to the brink of a great depression, allowed millions of jobs and countless corportions to disappear overseas to avoid tax liability, allowed fat cat wall street executives to run free for decades due to your false dogmatic conservative creedo that "less government and regulation is ALWAYS better", spent billions of unpaid for dollars in Iraq, gave huge unpaid tax cuts to the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans ( many of whom are the owners/partners of the same health insurance agencies that are currently causing our health premiums to rise 3 times faster than wages so they can take 6 ski trips to Aspen each year instead of 1 or 2)...and you have the nerve to point fingers at others spending money to try and fix healthcare!! HYPOCRITES!
I know when you make a bad choice that sometimes it can be hard to admit to it but what did you morons expect out of a Chicago senator that was only 150 days into his term?? All the warning signs were there!! The most liberal senator in such a short time!! All his friends were radical nut jobs!! Even the mans pastor was extreme!! Even now people like Van Jones are starting to come out the woodwork and this is only the beginning. Now here we are divided. God help us all!! We can't just stand by and think well some else will do something! Make your voice heard!!
Go Jane! Go Obama! I agree with Jane. Fox News and most everyone on here are out of touch with America and the WORLD. This is about the HEALTH of all citizens. Stop being such money grubbing, greedy people and care about someone else for a change. Look at all the homeless people and those out of work now. Everyone in our country deserves the same level of health care even if they aren't rich republicans.
You don't listen. You just hate hate hate. If Obama said the sky was blue you would say he was a liar.
I truly believe 100% that Illegal Immigrints will NOT be covered under under Obamacare. He will grant them Amnasty and then they will be covered
What else is new? There was no enlightenment and just the same sing-song empty rhetoric. It is Pelosi/Reid's way or no way. Who is running this country anyway? We really have no leader just a pretty puppet who can read a prompter. I think a bunch of Chicago thugs are leading this country too into oblivium. I am happy we are no longer a rich country. Let someone else give all their hard earned money to the needy country's including the USA. Let the U.N. move to Switzerland. We do not need them period.
Actually He didn't change my mind I have always been in agreement with him. I use to be a republican now I am an Independent. All the lies and misinformation that you people (Fox is the worst) started back with Gorge W. turned me off. It's like if you say it we should believe it. People are not that stupid and your only support is the people that always stay with the party! Try some real truthful news sometime and more people might think you are a real reporter. Hannity is the worst and OReilly is right there with him.
rick holt,
whos the nut, i didn't vote for bush or obama, but i'm sure you voted for one of them! what brought down this country was policical correctness! everyone should be able to buy a home even if they can't afford it! what a joke! i could afford 300.00 but i wasn't stupid enough to extend myself, so i spent 150.00 and now my house is paid off, and i am not republican.
Let's get this black guy out of office so we can have a white republican in office. That will fix everything, right guys?? I don't want a black guy lecturing my kids to stay in school and i don't want him telling me what right for my health. I don't need a socialist telling me that we should spread the wealth and resources. Let's keep it so where a small percentage keeps all of the wealth for the entire country and not budge. We can't lose power over minorities on my watch.
As usual, President Obama can't seem to get off the campaign trail! Right now is not the time to be asking the taxpayers to pay more for anything! Now is the time to support those who are without jobs because the government has really "f----- up royally" and that includes BOTH PARTIES! Yes, there are people who do not have health insurance who have been laid off. Yes there are low-income people who cannot afford health care insurance (but who said I had to pay for them?) and that is what Medicaid is for (you know, that portion of Medicare that was siphoned off years ago). As for illegals--they get health care because of the laws that are already on the books that says "no one can be denied health care" in this country. DUH! Yes, the insurance companies are making profits--that's why it's called insurance--you have a 50/50 chance of getting sick; having a house fire; getting into an accident; etc. and that is why you have insurance and that's why they call it insurance. Profits are there to pay for just that (and yes to pay top administration too). If you didn't have insurance who would pay for everything? Think about it. Now, if the government takes over your health care and they run out of money (like they have right now), who is going to pay for it????? DUH????? So, now the government wants to be your insurer for health care and I say--GET OUT OF MY LIFE! I WOULD RATHER LET A MAN EATING LION TO IT THAN THE GOVERNMENT! They can't even pay the dealers who sold cars during the "Cash for Clunkers" farse what makes you think they can handle even 36,000 people on a government option???? GET REAL FOLKS! The Post Office is so broke they had to give people in some areas money orders for their paychecks because the government had no money at the time they were due their paychecks (just this past weekend). Yes, this is a true story--not one that Obama keeps telling about health care insurance. I'm neither a DEM or a REPUBLICAN--I'm for what is right and just. We do not need a national health care plan. We need to fix Medicare, reduce Medicaid, give a voucher or tax credit to those people who need health coverage but we do not need to fine or tax those people who do not wish to have health care coverage! Tort reform needs to be done; TX has it and it's working!
No, I still oppose the bill. Obama's speech was peppered with lies. 900 billion won't increase the deficit? The CBO says anything saved from wiping out fraud, waste, etc., would hardly make a dent in the cost of it. And what about the INCENTIVE to employers to dump their employees onto the government plan? Or when someone changes jobs, they have to get on a government approved plan and then can't ever get off it; they can't keep their insurance when they change jobs like Obama claimed. Read the stinking bill.
The legislation prevents the citizenship status of anyone who wants coverage, SOOO... how can illegals NOT be covered??? Abortions will be covered. Look at the sneaky way: The Hyde Amendment only applies to health and human services, and will not apply to this legislation; the Dems decided that healthcare expenditures won't be in the HHS budget, SOOOO... abortions are paid for. Our tax dollars at work.
Get ready to say goodbye to Liberty, Freedom and America as She was founded if this goes through. Just wait for the cascade of events to follow. Read the bill, read the US Constitution and find yourself a copy of The Road to Serfdom. Then research the content of Rules for Radicals.
Let's keep race out of this, i know great african americans, it;s not about race, it's about big government. I don't want a socialist country, or communist either. shaun, maybe freedom is ours if we keep our heads.
He must think that we are rather STUPID!!! I dont want or need Govt. making me do anything. I love my country but we have a bunch of lawyers and Chicago politics and every kook on the presidents czar list......and its now a crime to make a profit unless one of the czars ok's it...or it seems to be what they want......power power power....dangerous bunch we have....dangerous
Hi,
I'm not an American but I am here legally. I would just like to say this, if the Rep.don't like the current bill then why haven't they stated how to fix it? All I have seen from them is CRAP. Instead of saying the bill will allow illegal's to access health care why not put forward wording that they would be comfortable with. If they think there are "death panels" show us were and offer different wording they would be comfortable with.
The whole Rep. deal is childish. Don't offer the public reasonable answers to the problem just complain that it's not going to work. One has to think why are they doing this? Do they not have a good answer to the problem? Are they just no interested in being part of the solution? Do they think there is no need for reform? What is the deal? Instead of just scaring everyone with CRAP and lies (yes on both sides) why not offer solutions!
I am not a Dem or Rep, I've only been in this country for 1 year. Yes I came from a county that has private insurance and public system. They work together and to be honest the public system works great if you have an emergency and is slow if you want what is called elective surgery. But that is the way it should be fix those who need it the most and those who can wait do so.
Private insurance is encouraged by a government rebate for those who can afford it and a higher tax for those who chose not to take it out.
As for illegals, don't they already get health care at the hospitals? Who is paying for that? If you have insurance and pay taxes then you are! So word the bill so if your here legally then you can't access the public system. The country where I came from treats everyone publicly and if you are not a citizen you have to pay full cost, if you don't have insurance.
My 2c worth.
The President is the Chief. When Bush was in office he stole an election, told the UN to kiss his Presidential tale and basically single handedly cause this country to go bankrupt. Pres. Obama needs to be Pres. to the ones that accepts him and the hell with everyone else.
Yea Barbara, You can really get the truth from NBC ,CBS, ABC, CNN there you go....what a joke
Ozzie,
The Repub. have offered 800 plus amendments...alll turned down....
Perhaps the Dems should focus on fixing Medicare and Medicaid.
Why is it OK for the Dems to boo a President but not OK for the 'Pubs to do so?
Can't have a double standard.
Look for middle-class taxes to go up if this thing passes. BO's numbers just don't add up.
If Race aint the issue, then why is it that we all talk about Govt. now and not back how many years ago. We all pay the G taxes. we all go out to vote because of the G. We follow State and Fed laws because of the G. So I guess now that the G has a Half white B in there (We Want our Country Back) FROM WHO. Slaves and Native Americans Built this Country. MF
i guess you forgot that acorn got caught stealing votes, ( for Obama )
It's not about bush or obama! it's about spending your and my money without telling us all the plans.
What a vague and dumb question.... I for one already stood behind Obama's plan so asking me if his speech changed my mind results in my voting "No".... thereby letting you fools use the results of the poll to support your crap reporting.
At least, democrates, have thoughtfull and intelligent candidates for president. Republicans always present uneducated, uninformed people to run this county. Sarah Pallin is the most recent example. To vote for a ticket that includes this laddy just blows my mind as a foreigner. She is empty headed as much as Bush, Reagan an so one. What do we get in return, Bombs, Bombs and Bombs. I belive the repubs have a racial superiority doctrine that is embeded in their arrogant attitude. This will come to an end when the country gets educated because thoughtfull people will never vote for these empty headed guys
What is patriotism?
Love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it.
We are born a nation of independent thinkers who loved this land and freedom and fought for the right to determine how they should be governed. It is this love of country and freedom that defines Americanism at its best. To demand that any American put aside their belief and understanding of who and what they are as an American in the name of doing what is considered by a consensus to be “for the greater good” or otherwise be considered “unpatriotic” is in and of itself the very essence of unpatriotic Americanism.
What defines our country is the right to speak our opinion. I may believe you to be wrong in your opinion, and I may hope to show you how you are wrong, but as its been said before, “I will defend to the death your right to speak”, as did our Fathers, and Forefathers from now to the formation of our country.
Respect the opinions of others. Debate intelligently. Document the support of facts used in support of argument. Research your facts. Listen to both sides, and form independent opinion based on what you have come to understand and know.
In accusing someone who disagrees with of being unpatriotic, of being a racist, of being a mind-numbed robot following in lockstep with others is to loose your argument.
Yo Jane,
I served in the USAF and most of them under Clinton. On 48 hours notice I was sent to Kuwait during the UN/Lewinsky crisis. I had to leave my wife with all the bills, problems, takimng care of the kids with 48 hours notice and returned 7 months later. Clinton was getting BJs in the Oval Office while my wife and kids struggled while I was gone. I am a Republican and said I am no a patroit because I don't support Obama? Get a life woman and better yet, enlist in the Army and go to Afganistan to fight Obama's war!!!
Yo Jane,
I served in the USAF and most of them under Clinton. On 48 hours notice I was sent to Kuwait during the UN/Lewinsky crisis. I had to leave my wife with all the bills, problems, takimng care of the kids with 48 hours notice and returned 7 months later. Clinton was getting BJs in the Oval Office while my wife and kids struggled while I was gone. I am a Republican and said I am no a patroit because I don't support Obama? Get a life woman and better yet, enlist in the Army and go to Afganistan to fight Obama's war!!!
Poor Jane...She does not even realize she is a robot sheeple (sheep + people) being herded by Ted Turner. too bad......Fox is the ONLY network today that shows both sides. The other networks remind me of Pravda and TASS in the old Soviet Union. .I never thought we would end up like that.......
The Question is meant to make ppl think that the Majority of ppl are against the Pres. I didnt like Bush but I respected his Lame leadership. I grew up on an Island so Racism was new to me coming to the States. But all I can say is you dont have to respect me. Just know ,Im going to treat you just like im treated. Start the Race WAR!!!!
He speaks with a forked tongue. Ain't buying it. I'll continue to pay for my own insurance and earn my on way in the world. He is an excellent speaker tho, I must say. To many thugs surround this guy and he lost my trust when Fox News finally started exposing his associates and back ground. Scary dude.
Jane,
How does Obama's ass taste ?????
Doug : Yes they have made suggestions and some have been incorporated. The current bill is not before the house to be voted on because it is not finished. I have not seen one Repub. add telling me anything about their suggestions just the same old CRAP you get in an election (in any country).
If it's a great idea and can work lets hear about it give it to the public! Let us decide don't throw BS and expect it to stick.
This goes to both sides. Tell us your great ideas and how you would implement it and work it out. I would say disregard the current bill and listen what the President said not what has been written by a number of committees.
Do you agree with what the President wants in health reform? Not the wording of any bill at present put what he stood there and said what he wants in the finial bill? I agree with what he said he wants and I think a lot of people would agree that health reform in the US is needed. Now instead of pointing fingers and crying foul about the fine details sit down like they are supposed too and formulate a bill that reaches the goals of most American's stop pushing the same old political agenda!
Where does the bill SAY U.S. Citizenship required?? I'm still looking
What a tremendous speech. I was truly proud to have a President stand up and so clearly lay out the hows and whys of such a vital program. If we truly want to be a civilized society, we need a program such as this.
And for those of you that will cry the repetitious cry of "the government is just trying to take more of MY money," please, take some of that precious money and go get an education. It does not cost much, look to your local community colleges. Your salary is artificially inflated to take into account the taxes you pay. If you were to suddenly wake up and find that there were no more taxes, you would also find that you were making proportionately that much less in salary. Taxes are not your money. The old phrase rings true, freedom is not free. Being decent and caring for your fellow man or woman is the price of living in a civilized society.
Rep Joe Wilson of South Carolina should get the Medal of Honor for pointing out the truth regarding our Idiot in Chief Obama !!!!!!!!!
Does anyone else remember Obama's answer to a townhall question about how he was going to pay for all this, and his answer included higher taxes on donations to churches?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJjEERXXgk
See you all in DC on the 12th.
we built your country
2009-09-10 19:14:21 ET
The President is the Chief. When Bush was in office he stole an election, told the UN to kiss his Presidential tale and basically single handedly cause this country to go bankrupt. Pres. Obama needs to be Pres. to the ones that accepts him and the hell with everyone else.
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You must be a politician since anyone that disagrees with you can go to hell. That seems to be the attitude of all politicians in Washington now. As I said earlier, I wonder if Dems know something about the next election that puts everything in their corner so they aren't worried what the American citizen thinks or wants. Scary!!!!
To the dems (including Jane). All the acusations you make against the reps is the exact same thing I think about you. Really. Guess we're united in that anyway. To the repubs. We had the house and whitehouse but screwed it up because our representatives are spineless and act scared of what the dems might do. Let's remember that during the next election and vote in some repubs with some backbone.
Fox have a problem. Instead of giving news, it is a propaganda machin for the right wing. Who ever listen to Fox remains ill informed. TO be really informed, one has to vet all the information he/she gets. FOx news will not withtand any vetting process/procedure. WHnever I watch Fox and compare the information to reality, I dfind that they are a Joke
As a foreigner, the only cable news outlet trusworthy is CNN. MSNBC and FOX news are doing propaganda.
This message is for Jane....this country was built on SMALL govt. Washington beleived the people (you and I ) should control this country. This is a man who had everything but gave back. All we have now are people that do for them not for the prosperity of the USA!! THAT is unpatriot. And as for your terriorist comment I live in NYC and don't appreciate people making comments like that the day before 9/11.
GET IT TOGETHER!!!
Jon,
Get off the kool-aid man. You're looking thru liberal rose colored glasses. Yes, tax money is my money clown. Back away fron the computer, take a deep breath and relax.
I love how Fox words their polls. The results look so lopsided. I voted no because it did not change my mind in support of health care reform, I was for it before and I am still for it. 8 percent voted that it changed their position, that means one speech change one in twelve Americans minds, that is huge. If it was a 50 - 50 split before speech, now it is no where close. Unless people changed their minds based on the "you're lying" comment, but I don't really think so.
I voted YES because the speech did change my thinking about health care - it made me even more skeptical about the Democrats/Socialists intentions. This guy is nothing but a snake oil salesman, but this time the People aren't buying it.
Stay vigilant, or this Country, under this current administration, will become a shell of its former greatness - if it isn't already.
This country was build buy the slaves who worked for free for hundreds of years. They help many people here gather wealth. All this Obama socialist, communist is a coded word that means we do not want to share we blacks and latinos. The whole platform of the republican party is race based. Unfortunately for this great country.
If Obama is such a liar, I wonder what you guys think of Bush. Maybe I can respect that Bush often blatantly lied and did not show much attempts to hide his foul doings. Now i am NOT arguing FOR Obama, but if you guys were fans of Bush when he was president, then that alone discredits much of what you have to say anyway. I love FOX news, they entertain by spreading rumors and lying about what they report. That is what the news media is about anyway. it is to entertain. Some of you guys take FOX too seriously, even they at FOX laugh at the idiots who take FOX reports as facts. I like FOX news for what it is.
Chris Jamin... it is people like you that really show what ignorance means. ARE you KIDDING me. Give it up with the race card already. I thought this would end with proof that any person is able to be president.
I am a repub. but I also am on the board of a non profit and give back to the underprivlideged. BUT I DO IT!!! No one takes my money and gives it to drug dealers who are driving around in mercedes. Where do you live anyway....in a box. I AM THE furthest thing from a racists. I do beleive in WORKING for what I get and being a honest person.
Lets face it, Obama did lie almost about everything in last nights speech; and again for the umpteenth time he failed to explain the specifics of this so called healthcare reform. It was rude to yell at him while he was speaking; on the other hand Obama was being rude by calling the AMERICAN PEOPLE who are against his healthcare "liars". When do we call out on Obama's lies and say enough is enough??
This is what worries me....307 million people....92% are happy with their health care......yes we need some changes but....if your car headlights burn out....change them..put new ones in.......dont go drawing up new plans for a whole new car!!...........out of the so called 47 million uninsured ..maybe 7 to 9 million actually need it......out of 307 million people!! Just another post office !!..... big govt, breaking America!
SueHawk
2009-09-10 18:25:58 ET
To all those who resent opposing viewpoints: In an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Commander Data said to someone who was forcing his ideas on a group of people without allowing any discussion or argument, "Is your position so weak that it will not stand up to debate?" How weak must this proposal be that this president can't tolerate the opinions and ideas of the millions who clearly recognize a disaster in the making?
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Suehawk.... excellent post. Of course I am still waiting to see this over the top, fantastic speaker that will draw us all into his circle. I'm sorry but I haven't seen any outstanding speech from him yet. He only whines about the past administration (but that is O.K. only Repubs don't have the same rights if they do complain they are racists) and I haven't seen him do anything but say I want this done (like Gitmo) by end of year and you figure out how to do it. I haven't seen any orginal idea from him yet. I think that is the problem with all politicians in Washington no matter which party since none of them write their own bills let alone read them before they sign them. Come on Americans lets take our country back and become proud again.......
We like to keep the money we earn in OUR own wallets. DEMS need to stop the BLAME GAME!!!!!! We lived in the UK for 2 years, it was great but the socialized healthcare was NOT!!!! Trust me, this is NOT the way for the USA to go.
If you look at the facts Jammin.......Far more Repub. give to charities...farrrr more...The Dems always want to talk but the walk isnt there and if you'd look at the ones you are slammin....they probably are the ones who paid taxes to get you your education and give you a job.....if you have one.......so get real and dont bite the hand that has fed you......
Hey Jane, you should lay off the Kool Aid. Republicans are the only patriots left.
The only problem with the speech is that only one person from Congress had
the nerve to call him out on the lie. It should have been a chorus of them
at each one. It would have amounted to a lot of shouting because that
speech, like every other one given by Obama, was full of lies and
half-truths.
We want a real debate. Saying, "Here is the reform I want. If don't accept
it then you're against reform." is not a debate. That's a my way or the
highway approach.
Obama keeps saying that we need a public option to create more competition.
If competition is a good idea (it is) why is not talking about immediately
repealing the federal regulations that prevent health insurance companies
from competing across state lines? This could be done immediately and would
require no money from tax payers. When families of four in some states can
buy policies for 1/2 the price of an individual policy in another state it
tells you the market is not being allowed to work.
I want a serious discussion on tort reform which won't happen because the trial lawyers give a lot of money to the Democrats and most members of
Congress are lawyers themselves.
I want a discussion on changing the tax code to level the playing field
between insurance purchased through an employer and individually. I hear the cry from the Democrats that people's insurance shouldn't be tied to their
employer. I agree, but the reason that it is tied there is a result of the
governments setting wage caps during WWII (more meddling in the market) but allowing employer purchased insurance to not be treated as income. Therefore it is not subject to income tax. If people could buy health insurance with pre-tax dollars it would level the playing field and many would choose to
buy policies not tied to their employer.
Let's also be clear that there is not "Right" to healthcare. You have a
right to free speech, but not to make me listen to you. You have a right to
your religion, but not to force me to practice it. Nobody has a right to
point the gun of government at my head to take my money to pay for their
healthcare. If something is immoral and criminal if done between individuals
it doesn't become ok if one of the individuals is replaced by a government
agent.
When say that insurance companies are evil because they don't cover
pre-existing conditions it just reveals that they are completely ignorant of
what insurance is and how it works. Insurance is a transfer of risk. A
company looks at the probability of a risk happening in the population, the
cost of that risk when it does materialize, and develops a pricing model for
the policy accordingly. For example: If the population is 100, and the risk
is cancer, and the cost to treat an occurrence is $10, and it's expected
that 5 people will get cancer, the expected payout to treat cancer would be
$50. The insurance company would then break even if they sold the policies
to the 100 people for $.50. Of course they have to pay for office space,
claims reps, office staff, IT systems, electricity, taxes, and other
overhead, plus make some profit for the risk they are taking so the actual
price might be $.55. In this case if it turns out 10 people get cancer the
insurance company loses money because they cannot go raise the rates after
the policy term has started. If the 100 people could just sign-up once they
had cancer there would only be 5 people with insurance, those with cancer,
and no other premiums to pay for their care. It's the same reason you cannot
buy fire insurance after your house burns down, or car insurance after your
in an accident.
Many states have addressed the issue of preexisting conditions by creating a
risk pool for those with preexisting conditions. All insurance companies in
the state are required to cover people (and lose money) in the pool and the
max rates for insurance in the pool are capped at some percentage o
Vice Presadent Obama is going to do this country write. He is triing to fix the problems Busch made from his 6 years in orifice. Lets give Oboma as chanse peeple !!
Trish in Mass. -- I'm with you as are most Americans. The far left liberals always love "free" stuff, but guess what, somebody has to pay for it, and that's you, me and every other taxpayer I know. I'm sick of the entitlement programs and freebies for illegal aliens! As a former Mass. resident, who lived right around the corner from Gov. Patrick (sorry for you that he's your governor -- Romney was great!), I know the mindset of the liberal elites in Mass. I am so glad to be living in FL where mostly conservatives rule.
I've been trying to call Rep. Joe Wilson's office to CONGRATULATE him on saying what most Americans were thinking! Yes, it was wrong that he said it in that venue (Congress), but it needed to be said. Thank you Rep. Wilson. Keep voting for Democrats, even the so-called "Blue dog Dem's" and we'll just get more of the same nonsense! VOTE REPUBLICAN and vote OUT the RINO'S: Collins, Snowe, Lugar, Crist, Cochran, etc. NO MORE RINO'S!
NOT NO, but Hell NO! He merely hit the campaign trail AGAIN and started his lies anew!
"The whole Rep. deal is childish. Don't offer the public reasonable answers to the problem just complain that it's not going to work. One has to think why are they doing this? Do they not have a good answer to the problem? Are they just no interested in being part of the solution? Do they think there is no need for reform? What is the deal? Instead of just scaring everyone with CRAP and lies (yes on both sides) why not offer solutions!"
They have been putting up recommendations and ideas but the Democrats are shutting them down in Congress. Twice they have introduced amendment so the current plans specifically barring illegal immigrants from receiving care. The Democrats have rejected them both times. Wilson calling out Obama as being a liar on illegal coverage was right on the money.
Great speech by a great President. Its so nice to have the adults in charge again. You Fox listeners are a bunch of "BOBBLEHEAD" FOOLS. Keep up you wing-nut talking points, but you can rest easy. When President O gets some kind of universal health ins you will know that when lose your job or some health ins refuses to pay for your cancer treatments you too have health ins because of President Barrack H Obama. You brain dead "bobbleheald" must really like paying high prices for ins and the co-pays and deductibles. Ask your grandparents if they want to give up their Medicare and go out on the free market and purchase or TRY TO PURCHASE health ins. Ask if they want to pay $5000 per month or more. YOUR ALL FOOLS!!
Jane
2009-09-10 11:35:14 ET
Any poll on Fox is a joke. Robots walking in lockstep. Repubs piling on with glee, fortified by hate and divisiveness. No respect for the Presidency. I hope the terrorists aren't watching, I'm sure they feel it would be much easier to attack a divided country. Repubs are the most non-patriotic members of our society.
If you want to talk about being divided, what about last night when the president leads the democrats in trying to make a mockery of the former administration for increasing the deficit. Yes President Bush did spend some money on bringing the fight to the terrorists that attacked us but I think it was money well spent. It is in the Constitution that the federal government provide for our safety and security. What isn't in the the Constitution is providing for the every need of every citizen, like healthcare, cash-for-clunkers, a new house... The only time Obama looks at the Constitution is to look for loopholes. We all need to read the Constitution, Dems and Repubs.
We heard nothing new in President Obama's speech yesterday evening. No details. No real statistics on how this is being funded. We are not happy at all with the current House Bill 3200 as it stands and neither are the majority of folks we know. Our family doctor told us that if this health care bill passes with a public option and without addressing the real needs, instead of making it a grab to control people's lives, he will choose to retire and he's only in his mid-fifties. He is not in a position to retire but he will if he can't help his patients like he loves to do. He's one of the best family doctors around and we'd hate to see him leave medicine because of idiot politicians sticking their noses into areas that most don't know squat about.
The only thing we know to do at our home is to get on our knees and pray and to stand up for what is right, voicing our opinions as guaranteed by the constitution, and believing God will give all in positions of power HIS wisdom -- certainly their own for the most part has failed miserably.
THis to Wanna
I work 7 days/week, since I came to this country. Remember we all do not have the same potential and we ahev to land hand to others. Every time I watch repubs, all is about race: their TV show, their gathering everything. Is it coincidence?
I am just stating the fact
By the way, I give to charities as well.
KCCool,
You are a racist and describe to the T what is wrong with America. You are greedy, selfish and are trying to keep minorities down in the sweat shops. did you vote for George Wallace in 2008? You make me sick, Sir.................
I am tired of the same speech over and over. When do we learn some facts? We already know the public option is a bad idea. When do we get this off the table and actually work on reform?
Chris Jamin,
Get real... Obama is mister racism. Everything is race baited from Rev Wright to Prof Gates. If you think America is too racist, then go to Africa where racism is rampent...That is Black against White....Slavery still lives....And the continent is a mess because of Black dictators polluting and raping the countries of their natural resources for their own gain. I will purchase a one way ticket to the country of your choice in the utopia of Africa .....
Dear Jane, I guess that you did not hear the Dem's boo President Bush's state of the union a few years ago. All the congressmen did was yell out the truth. If there is 400 to 500B fraud in Medicare and Medicad then lets fix that before we add a nother T in debt. So far all I see the Dems's is following in lock steps with Polosi and Reed. You had better get ready to cry in about 18 months.
Wanna...
I have a job and am business owner at the same time.
Ignorance's first name is republican. How can you guys present Sarah Pallin, Bush, Reagan as leaders. I will leave this country when Pallin becames president.
Can you them to Algore, Kerry, Obama intellectually speaking?
I listened as long as I could but I got tired of hearing Obama yelling at me! He yells like a parent scolding their children but with a very angry tone. That's certainly not going to get him anywhere in my book!! I still didn't hear anything about how we're going to PAY for all of this!!
When running for office, he clearly stated that Medicare is going broke - it was a failure but now, he wants to take money from there to help pay for his plan? How dumb is that? Just about everything the government sticks it's fingers in fails.. and this will too. If it passes, we will be caught up in such a tangled web that we will never ever get out!!
Brad....not sure who the fool is...but, I for one will take my chances on my health care if the govt will get out of it and open areas up to conpetition and keep their noses out of my business and you apparently are part of the "give me" crowd and I bet you have never run a business or employeed a single person in your life. We need more people that relay on God(Christ) for guidance and helping out fellow man in our communties and let big brother stick to the constitution....which this bunch seems to want to disregard....
I live in a nice CT neighborhood surrounded by many conservative neighbors - many of whom are friends. But as much as we all get along, I am amazed at how stubborn they are to avoid actually doing any research at all into the facts of these issues or keep an open mind to consider the opinions of others without bias. They would rather repeat slogans and sound bytes that they hear on the radio and elsewhere in the media than actually make an effort to understand facts - and the facts are that the majority of the "conservatives" I have met and know are ignorant of so much it's astounding. Primarily, most don't even understand the history of the conservative movement itself - which was NEVER grounded in the kind of extreme right wing ideology that the conservative movement has become. Conservatism is dying today - and not because it is a flawed philosophy - but because many in conservative circles of power rely on the ignorance of less educated people to support their private agendas to prevent change or reform at any cost. They people are so stupid they actually believe in "government death panels" and the like. They are so stupid as to not even understand the irony of opposing a "public plan" when so many of them are ALREADY covered by Medicaid. Hello? Ignorance and closet-racism is at the heart of the conservative movement these days. Very sad. I for one still hope that reason and intelligence will prevail in this debate - just as it did in the last Presidential election - or, indeed, God help us all.
"“What most of the comments here are about Obama being a liar, fear for the deficit, government take over, etc. If only you would have a little bit more of an open mind and stop blindly following the words that come from the media. Do your own research, read the bill and you will find that in fact there is no government take over..."
What bill did you read? It certainly wasnt' HR 3200. I read it (well most of it anyway) and the entire thing is nothing but a massive government take over. It creates 53 new government agencies, panels, and boards. See http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm for a nice breakdown and analysis of some of the scariest parts of it. Then please tell me, specifically, how these things do not add up to a government take over.
I want healthcare reform but this is not reform, it's a complete take over of the system. We should be discussing how to end the bankrupt and market distorting medicare and medicaid systems, not put the same politicians who have mismanaged them in charge of a bigger system. Although in fairness to the politicians it's not really their fault medicaid and medicare have failed. They are fighting the laws of economics, against which reality always wins, and socialistic programs fail.
I am very disappointed as an American and Veteran to have him represent our country. He is so inexperienced, arrogant, and non-partisian. He talks a good game but that is about it. He continues to talk, talk, talk, and talk as if we are in the 1st grade and insults our intelligence. I have taken the time to read all of the bills that are before us about healthcare reform and I don't see how we can afford it.
We need to expand the opportunities for improving the economy and creating new jobs. A great line in the movie Dave "Everyone works on Monday". The movie also goes on to mention "have you seen a person's face when they get a job". Where are the unions? How come we are not addressing the salaries of their executives, the fraud, and the amount of money flowing to the President's campaign. The president has a real problem-he promised the unions a public option for their members because they milked all of the private sector businesses so why not the U.S. government.
I am tired of his speeches with no substance. The stimulus package was a joke, it was a pay off. It is time to be conservative with our spending, create opportunities to fix the current system instead of blaming the insurance industry, and stop blowing smoke up my pant leg.
Jammin,......When you leave the country.....will be a better day for all of us
Wanna...
Smart and decent people always want to give back to the society.
Republicans do not mind spending billions of dollars to defend Iraq's freedom but cannot psend a dime to help Katrina victim, to cover people without health care. Before I help somebody else kid, I help my kids first.
DOug,
I will let you know when I am about to leave.
Many of these comments dismiss health care reform as a ploy by government for more control over our lives. I don't see what all the fuss is about since nobody on fox news was this scared when the patriot act was being pushed through without so much as one republican rep or senator batting an eye. Where were your worries then? Fox news viewers overwhelmingly supported the patriot act which clearly gave government unchecked authorization to spy on U.S. citizens and detain them without due process. Clearly, it gave government more control over our lives, yet Fox news viewers are more afraid of health care reforms... something that would ensure we all receive health care, and that all doctors get paid for their services. I know O'Reilly makes fun of stoned slackers all the time, but who's stoned now?
Its funny, that the libs are calling the repubicans unpatriotic. When most people who protest the military, are libs! Most people who serve or served in the military are republicans. after all, what is more patriotic then to serve and possible give one's life for his/hers country. When a young person joins the military he/she takes a oath to pertect the "CONSTITUTION" from foreign and domestic threats. Where in the constitution does it say free healthcare for everyone? WE ARE LIVING IN THE BIZZORO WORLD, right is wrong, up is down, night is day, left is right. GOD HELP US!!!
Have any of you travelled to china lately. They are overtaking this country. They investing massively in their infrastructure. The Obama administration is doing the rigth think. Infrastructure investment, healthcare reform for more competitiveness for this country. You guys are sleeping any way. I am afraid when you wake up, the country will already be behind
I thought Obama was sworn in to UPHOLD and DEFEND CONSTITUTION NOT DESTROY IT
Out of the top 10 poorest cities in the US.....10 have been run by Dems foreverrrrr....a fact. It is easy to talk about giving back but usually it is all talk as they raise taxes and keep the poor poooor!! Blame the repubs and keep the inner cities barefoot and preg. and coming up with govt housing....and more govt programs to keep them ignorant.
Obama the Next Hitler! Yep thats right, Study History!
Most of developped countries in world spend their money on education except america. Morality: most scientific here are foreigners, like myself. Is it the country you want to leave for you kids. The repubs always talk about militaries, bombs. We need a society with educated healthy people to compete. Everybody soon will have nuclear bomd and then what are you going to do with your military?
People on this board are sure angry towards Obama. In my opinion, there anger is misplaced. Why aren't they angry towards the insurance companies and their lobbyists who have taken advantage of Americans for many years? What exactly do these insurance companies do to help us? They have been rationing care for years, dropping people who are sick or finding excuses like pre-existing conditions to deny coverage. Ask any practicing doctor - who gets in between them and their patients more - Medicare or insurance companies? 100% of them would say insurance companies. Who funds the anti-reform commercials running on TV that purport to be from a senior citizens group (60Plus) - 100% funded by the pharmaceutical industry.
People - wake up! Don't take the lies being slung by vested interest groups at face value - you have to look behind them to see where the money is coming from. Almost every anti-reform commercial being aired is being paid for by industry special interest groups. They don't care about improving the health care system - they just care about money. They are scared ***less that a public option will drive them out of business because most Americans would realize that opting for a government plan would save them a lot of money and give them the same or better care.
Why do insurance companies need to make so much money? If you ever have to be hospitalized, their sole motivation is to get you out of there as soon as possible. Every minute you spend there lowers their profit. Medicare doesn't work that way. Medicare leaves decisions up to the doctor.
The sad thing is that many people, including people in Congress, have made a decision to be anti-Obama, no matter what. For whatever reason, they have chosen not to like him and they think that opposing everything he proposes is the right thing to do. That's a shotgun approach and in the end it destroys the credibility of those taking the shots.
I came to this site late this afternoon for a laugh because anything the President said last night would be trashed by this network and its following. And it didn't disappoint me in the respect that the site did exactly what would be expected. What a shocker for these sicko conservatives when the polls open once again and they pay a heavy price for this bashing of the President who layed them out in lavender at the polls in the Fall. Keep it up. THis will be the end of the Republican party for years to come. I'm loving it.
To Dave in CT -- apparently you've been living in uber liberal CT for far too long. The current GOP is too right wing extremist?!? Give me a break. The RINO's -- Republican in name only, are the reason we have the Usurper in Chief in the WH!!! Get real.
Why the urgent need to rush through Health Care reform?!? I'll tell you why --because it's part of the socialist agenda -- strike while the iron's hot. The liberals know that most Americans are upset with the economy and the uncertainty with Obama in office and the lib's in control. Obama has managed to QUADRUPLE the national deficit in under a year -- what an accomplishment, in addition to taking over the auto industry and banking industry. Anyone who supports Obama or thinks he has one shred of credibility should have their head examined! I think he's a classic case (from what I've read) of Narcassistic Personality Disorder! GOD HELP US IS RIGHT! Get ready for a major upset in 2010 in favor of the GOP! :-)
April,
you need to see a doctor :psycolo
The insurance companies anr to make money for their stock holders and so on....no problem with that but also, they must play by the rules and laws made up by.................Congress.....so Obama is trying to distroy or demonize a whole industry to hook or crook his agenda upon the people.
This site is ridiculous....how can you read through the comments when the page reloads every 10 seconds !!!!
Anyway, Obama is a snake. He's the most divisive politician I've ever seen. He wasted our hour last night taking cheap shots at everyone who disagrees with him. It's almost as if we have a obnoxious teenager as President. I really can't believe what has happened to our Country.
Frustrated....AMEN
Doug
you need to be in touch with reality. All those cities you are talking bout are majority minorities. The society does not give any favor to those minority. Most of private companies do not hire minorities no matter how qualified they are. The republic party call for privatizing everything is part of that effort to have a double layer society.
My father, my grandfather, and my great grandfather always said that Democrats have only one real agenda item:
"Vote as much money from the US Treasury... for programs the government should not be involved with... using money they do not have".
Nothing has changed in four generations.. and this health care package is just one more log on a debt fire that will never burn out.
With the unholy trinity of Obama-Reid-Pelosi running the government, we will all be praying we can even make it to 2012. (..At least when we were worried about the Russians nuking us, we could build bomb shelters...)
hmm when is Obama going walk the talk all I see he said he is not for big gov that is a lie. Also he said judge him by the people he hangs out. Rev Right and the list can go on and on Talk about the change we are getting. This is not what most of Americans wanted. We have A president who said one thing and does another thing split personality I can say. Oh got to love Acorn and the lies they do how do anyone who is apart of this sleep at night with their lies sames goes with this government . I pray to god some day that these people that are behind this and trying so hard to destroying our country will have guilt and they will wake up to realize being evil. Taking respectability for your own actions and behavior nothing in this world is for free or a free hand out. When it deals with the government they will lie to take over things at 1st they would say they are not going to take over any thing bull look at the car company's. and the list goes on and on we where worn by our founding fathers about big government and how they would do anything to take the rights away from the American people.
the reason most GOPers hate governement because it is a levelling mecanism, which the GOP/right hates. It is all about race again with the GOP
Obama is a moron that doesn't know what in the hell he is doing.
RIP USA
1776 - 2009
Jane and all you FOX haters. Just listen to yourselves and you will see how
stupid you sound. The real unpatriotic spreaders of misinformation is AP, NBC
MSNBC, ABC, CBS and CNN. As an Independent I am truly I had more sence
that to vote for Obama. You Pelosi and Reid bobbleheads should take a few
civic lessons.
Jamin, you're just another liberal loser pulling the race card. Everyone who doesn't agree with your ideology is a racist. It's unfortunate you can never make a valid point as the others on this board do. You just hang around with nothing better to do than make stupid comments. I bet you're a little 18 or 19 year old punk, living at home and waiting for your mommy to bring you dinner.
More lies from this clown. He promised to bring a new plan. What happened to that? Democrats are two steps away from being communists these days.
This poll question is flawed. It only asked if the president's speech changed your mind about health care.
Are those asking this question they assuming that you didn’t agree with him on health care already? I'm with the president on health care now, so his speech didn't change my mind, and by that logic I would answer ‘no’ to the poll. But somehow I don't think that is the intent. The title of the poll should be 'If you didn't agree with the President on Health Care, did his speech change your mind?
I know this is polling question is affiliated with foxnews, but come on, at least give the impression of trying.
OBAMA IS A JOKE, HE THINKS ALL HE NEEDS TO DO IS WAVE HIS MAGIC WAND AND ALL WILL BE OK. CAN'T WAIT TILL THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS, MANY IN CONGRESS WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE REFORM WILL BE GONE AFTER THE MID-TERM'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so 91% say obama did not change their mind, does that mean 91% still agree with him and are for his reform? Nice poll.
This is so funny! Let me get this right... The Republican Party is for small government and keeping the government out of everyone's life?
So if the statement that more republican's join the armed forces is true then you are being controlled by the government are you not?
Also it's ok from the Republican view to spend trillions on a war that can not be won (like Vietnam) but not ok to help you fellow American when they are down on there luck? Not every American has a stable job or has health care but you are not willing to give a little to help them. But giving trillions to a foreign country and the lives of young American's is ok?
I think you moral compass needs adjustment!
Why is America *the country not the people) hated by most of the middle east, because it's America's policy you do it their way or not at all. Stop trying to be the world Police and take a good hard look at what your really stand for!
Is it what you say you stand for? Yes business is about making money and succeeding but at what cost? How much profit is enough?
The problem with no regulation is there are no checks and balances. You have these in the government and courts but no private industry. So from what I am hearing the Republicans what the government to not be in any business. So everything is private? So if you can't afford it then your can't have it? So what happens when the very few people own most of what is available and you happen to be one of the unlucky people who has nothing due to no fault of you own? I am sure you would be the first to cry foul!
Some things government should regulate and have a hand in are important to keep the balance in place. I wounder what the average medical coverage of all American's is ? Lets say $10,000 per year (maybe more maybe less) So what Republicans are say is they would love to continue to pay $10,000 pa on their insurance to keep the same medical coverage they have now. Even though the USA is ranked 37th in Health Care by the WHO. What if you could have the same level of Health care as the French do (WHO Ranked No 1.) but it would cost you $8,000 pa and it would be a public option. Would you be willing to accept that?
What if it would cost $12,000? What about $15,000.
What if I said that the maximum you would pay to see a Government DR was $20 (co-pay) and if you saw a private Dr $200.
I think most Republicans would reject the offer just because it is a government run system. But look at the list of WHO rankings the top systems are government run systems.
Was it not GREAT American's who said "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
What many don't understand is that he was speaking the truth. "His" plan will do the things he says. The problem is, his plan isn't the plan now being presented to Congress (HR3200). This plan was co-authored by Pelosi and Frank (and a few others). This is why one of the Congressmen had a sign on his chest that read: "Where's the bill?"
The American people think he was talking about HR3200. But not once did he tie HR3200 and the plan he was talking about together in his speech.
That being said, his plan is foolish also!!
I am more convinced than ever that we desperately need health care reform and that the Republicans are ready for the dustbin of history.
dave
Conservatism is dying today - and not because it is a flawed philosophy - but because many in conservative circles of power rely on the ignorance of less educated people to support their private agendas to prevent change or reform at any cost. They people are so stupid they actually believe in "government death panels" and the like. They are so stupid as to not even understand the irony of opposing a "public plan" when so many of them are ALREADY covered by Medicaid. Hello? Ignorance and closet-racism is at the heart of the conservative movement these days. Very sad. I for one still hope that reason and intelligence will prevail in this debate - just as it did in the last Presidential election - or, indeed, God help us all.
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What debate???? He basically told us last night it is his way or the highway. It is really sad when the politicians have lost sight of who the bosses are. All President Obama does is rag on the past administration and points to the American people as fear mongers that aren't intellegent enough to know he has no plan and is trying to fake his way through this. Reid was able to call President Bush a liar and no one came unglued, but if you don't agree with President Obama you are a racists. I really hope none of us live to regret closing our eyes while our freedoms are taken away from us. You do have one sentence right. God help us all.
Texas Jim,
"Speech" is not spelled "speach." And did you not know it's universally deemed extremely rude to post in all caps?
Apparently you're another stupid Fox News viewer. If you had any brains, you'd be able to think for yourself instead of blindly accepting all the lies and distortions you're being fed by the conservative media.
dave
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By the way Dave you say you live in an upscale neighborhood in Ct. Then you turn around and say most of your neighbors are on medicaid. So which is it, are you in an upscale neighborhood or a welfare neighborhood?????
How can you belive anything that a socialist says.( same lies different day.)
LOL @ you guys. You know in response to all those who attacked Jane I have searched almost every polling available (Yes CNN, YES MSNBC, but many local pollings as well) they are all consistant. People are in support of health care reform and the President's speech most sites 70% and +. If you cannot recognize that FOX news readers and their views are the MINORITY than there is not much hope for you. And now some will say "well why are you reading here" the answer: I guess I just like diversity and sometimes I just enjoy a laugh at the "spin" by some of the writers on this site. I think it would also be interesting for people to list their ages and education on their comments. I bet we will find most of the loudest opposers are the oldest most uneducated who would be against ANYTHING our great President proposes. (LIKE FOR EXAMPLE TRYING TO INSPIRE YOUR CHILDREN TO SUCCEED IN LIFE AND FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION) Tehehehe -Sarah-25-PSU grad
ghbohio, you're so smart !!! You can spell speech !! You have nothing to add to the debate on this board so you pick something applicable to your level of education....spelling. Why don't you go hang out somewhere you have something worthwhile to add....maybe the 8th grade playground.
Cass Sunstein will be the ultimate destroyer of the United States, far worse than Obama could ever do!!!! He has no place in goverment ever!
I have a couple gripes. First, only Republicans can make being well spoken a derogatory trait! It's always "he gives a great speech but..." I understand that speaking in complete sentences is something repubs aren't used to in their elected officials, but please, at least pretend that you actually heard some of that great speech. I'm tired of the concept that giving great speeches and thoughtful argument makes one suspect. People are idiots! If they would listen instead of coming up with the same old cliches against Oh, and let's please stop the disingenious outcry over government spending and the debt to our children. The W Bush administration had the largest increase in the federal deficit in the history of our country, and yet where were the idiotic tea parties and crazy townhall people? Then they exacerbated the problem by becoming the first administration in American history to cut taxes while funding not one, but two wars! In the meantime health care costs have tripled since 1993 and the number of uninsured keeps growing. So what's the argument...we are suddenly against deficit spending? Give me a break Republicans! You are so far from reality that I'm not sure where to begin!! What you ought to say is that we are all for deficit spending and a large federal government, just not large in the things being proposed. We are all for big government if it means buying planes we don't need, submarines we don't need, and generally supporting the military industrial complex. We however, are against big government if it means spending the money that could be lining the pockets of lockheed or douglas on our own citizens to be able to have access to basic healthcare without filing for bankruptcy. We are for big government spending if it means invading middle eastern countries (who happen to be oil rich) that don't have WMD's (even if that is the basis of our argument for attacking in the first place). However, we are against big government if it means funding things such as roads and bridges, education, security for our elderly and providing for the millions of unemployed due to the unregulated greed of our corporations. I get it! You are concerned about your children's debt only if you are not buying big guns or bombing someone.
I agree with Jane. How can you have a Fox Poll and expect a reasonable output. I just came to the website to check the latest mudslinging but apparently the Reps are out of MUD!
Obama's speech was more of the same ole B.S. Predictably partisan, lacking in substance, hateful, full of falsehoods and deceiving of his socialist agenda. And, his math as always didn't add up! Hoorah for Wilson! Who called it as it was, a big lie. But what do you expect from a communist? God save our country from his attempts to destroy it and us!
The very fact that the Republican party along with wealthy insurance company executives have resorted to obstructing the democratic process by sending puppets to yell during town hall meetings and have made up nonsensical claims that people will be euthanized just goes to show you that they have no credible answer to the health care problem. It's too bad I would have liked to have heard a proposal from the Republicans. They are simply too interested in cultivating hysteria and therefore are not fit to lead at the moment. The Republican party needs to re-evaluate and show some maturity.
Rush Limbaugh, FOX News and Laura Ingram don't really care what party is in power they care about making money. They understand their audience very well and how to manipulate them. I take that back actually, especially with Rush Limbaugh who does a lot of merchandising, the "right wing media" probably makes more money when the Democrats are in power by stirring up their audience.
FOX News knows that you are sitting in your living room and are constantly watching them on a giant TV. They cater to your right wing bias. They know that you are stupid and are easily manipulated. You make them rich.
ghbohio
2009-09-10 20:57:11 ET
Texas Jim,
"Speech" is not spelled "speach." And did you not know it's universally deemed extremely rude to post in all caps?
Apparently you're another stupid Fox News viewer. If you had any brains, you'd be able to think for yourself instead of blindly accepting all the lies and distortions you're being fed by the conservative media.
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Ah yes ghbohio when you don't have a good argument you resort to the attack mode and name calling. All you extreme left wingers think everyone that doesn't think like you is stupid. Seems to me our President used that same word about some police officer that was only doing his job. (Oh and by the way he never apoligized for that.) Did you ever notice he never does anything wrong, it is always the other guy.
I simply don't get it. Why would a civilised(?) nation not think it right to look after the heath of all of it's citizen's fairly?
In my part of the world we all pay for good medical care through taxes. If you choose to pay for top-up private healthcare, to get perceived additional benefits in private hospitals, etc., then that's a purely personal choice.
Socialist behaviour? I think not, common-sense behaviour IMHO.
Mrs. C Hop - LOL @ You. Your info should read Sarah-25-PSU grad-brainwashed.
Seriously people! Why are you wasting your time? You are clearly militant left-wing-wing extremists incapable of unique thought. That is why you are all "in lockstep" behind Obama and his Marxist ideas. With socialism in place you don't have to think for yourselves or take care of yourselves.
And to the joker who claims that Repubs. think being a good speaker is a bad trait. FYI - we don't think it's a bad trait at all. As a matter of fact it is a wonderful trait. It just helps if there is actually truth and substance behind it.
Amy-31-ISU grad
Who are these 1400 + people that are "undecided"? What is that??
Obama's speech has everything in it that will lead his followers to believe him.
However, like many that I have spoken to, are shocked when they realize that he has lied to them during his campaign, over the debt, the rush to push GoV to run Banks, and the Auto industry. He leaves so much open to question, does not fill in the gaps, does not address the "other" bill in congress. He denies he will use our tax dollars to pay for abortions. He is lying and stealing our country right out from under our feet as he is smiling and laughing at the same time. If you mistakenly believe what he tells you then I hope you put on some rose colored glasses because you will need them to survive the rest of his term. 2010 elections can not get here soon enough to get the DEMS out of power. Republicans look out for the FOLKS!
He is turning this country upside down, making those that are in disagreement with him terrified to say so, as they will be labeled racist. I am no racist, I just believe he is nuts!!!
Jane - How many Republicans do you think have died in Iraq and Afghanistan? How dare you call Republicans non patriotic!!
I'm glad to see the majority saying NO, now how can we stop this disaster from getting worse? We have to work together America, and Obama may have the title of president but WE HAVE THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE.
As a Doctor working long hours - Let me tell Obama that he is WRONG when he says "more people will die without his stupid Health Care Proposal" - Do you ever hear that someone Dies because they do NOT have health insurance ? NO WAY - This does NOT happen - it is a LIE - No ONE will die because of their Health Insurance status - BUT - BUT - passing a Government CONTROL of Health Care - WILL cause people to be 'selected' - ' prioritized' - like Ted Kennedy going to a non-Massachusetts Hospital - or Chris Dodd going to a non-Connecticut Hospital - when THEY the "chosen few" can be prioritzed to the top of some list - We the doctors do NOT support Obama
Republicans can't stop using the word lie to describe everything that Obama says. They say it on here. They scream it during his speech. They have no other way to discredit what Obama is saying. YOU KNOW HE IS RIGHT, but you just can't stand him being in charge. For a change we have someone who really cares about people. You are scared that you won't be able to hog everything as before getting richer and richer while others are suffering because of your greed.
Knock, knock...
Who's there?
Details.
Details are not here, Man!
Jane should listen to herself and think back about four years ago when Bush was in the WH and the Dems divided the nation.......and still do. .
Dennis Miller said it best - how can you expect the government to do anything right when the President can't even start his congressional address on time? Joe Wilson deserves a raise - at least he had the 'cajones' to call it as he sees it!
To Paul E. Bushnell:
Hello, have you heard the reports on the bureaucratic mess that is our VA system? Even the President said that there is "waste & fraud" in our Medicare & Medicaid systems. The US gov't is mandated by our constitution to run the military; fire & police protection, schools & most prisons & transit systems are provided/run by our LOCAL gov'ts -- NOT the US gov't.
"Why not healthcare for the people not covered?" Because the US gov't has proven over & over that it cannot run anything (except possibly the military - no thanks to the DC politicians) efficiently! Even Obama pointed out that the Post Office (run by the US gov't) is inefficient compared to UPS & FedEx (not run by the US gov't).
I think it stinks that prisoners get free healthcare -- they ought to pay or work for healthcare, as well as room & board.
As to the rest of us, have you ever heard of saving up for a rainy day? Have you heard of sacrificing in order to save a bit here & there? What's wrong with the idea of being responsible for getting your own healthcare? Do you expect the gov't to provide you with all your food, fuel, clothes & housing?? Those are things that every person needs, so why shouldn't the gov't provide all those as well? It's because each person has an inherent responsibility to take care of him/herself, and when possible, help his/her fellow man -- not by force, but by his/her ability to help.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! This man has lied to the American people so much why would anyone believe anything he has to say. If it walk, talks, and acts like a liar, then it is a liar. As asked before - "The govt. cannot even run a Cash for Clunkers program, so why do we THINK the govt. can run our healthcare?
If this plan was such a wonderful idea, how about letting only the Democrats participate and PAY for it. Then you can rub it in our face all you want about how great it is.
Problem is, you need hard working middle class Republicans like myself to pay for it. Calling me names does not motivate me to pay for another one of your entitlements.
"Jane" Your comment needs just one tweak to be accurate. You need to replace "Repubs" with "democRATS." People who voted for obama have no respect for the Presidency. obama is in no respect qualified or fit to be in a leadership role in the United States. In North Korea, he would fit right in.
How would Jesus vote on Universal Health Care? I'm sure he'd say "To heck with the poor and unemployed getting health care." Conservatives: Turn to Jesus only when it's convenient. Bunch of hypocrites. At least I know where I stand on judgement day...for those of you opposing health care for all, I pray for your souls.
obama lies only when he speaks, writes, or uses body language; otherwise, he's perfectly honest. He's a typical democRAT.
Obama seems to have this occult-like allure that sucks you in. Hitler had the same allure. As I was watching I feel peaceful, and thank Christ for Joe Wilson who brought me back to reality! Obama and his crones want innocent blood and they will stop at nothing to get it. He lied up and down at this address!
Hey FOX News as a Democrat I would like to thank you. Your reporting is more propaganda than anything else. I don't know what your motivation is. I am sure it is money. Anyway, it doesn't matter I just want to let you know that if it weren't for you the Democrats would not be in power. You have effectively twisted the Republican base into a twisted heap of nonsense makers. You really know how to push their buttons. Republicans sound like they are out of their minds and that helps us Democrats! Keep up the good work!
PS - All of you Right wing radio listeners and FOX TV viewers keep buying all of their books, T-shirts and mugs! It's good for the economy and they deserve to be as wealthy as they are because they have helped this country by helping the Democrats to be in power!
I LOVE YOU FOX NEWS!
Ack, Greg is right. Jesus would vote yes for Obamacare, as long as it doesn't cover abortions. I've actually changed my mind. I'll just focus my energy on the next Supreme Court Justice nominee so we can reverse Roe V Wade.
I is so sad to see the "I'm not sure" number.
Where do they hide?????
Michael's comment case in point:
"Obama seems to have this occult-like allure that sucks you in. Hitler had the same allure. As I was watching I feel peaceful, and thank Christ for Joe Wilson who brought me back to reality! Obama and his crones want innocent blood and they will stop at nothing to get it. He lied up and down at this address!"
This is the kind of lunacy I am talking about - keep sounding looney Michael you are helping us Democrats to stay in power!
to loosely quote something I heard on Fox early morning................either Obama knows nothing about economics or he just plain lies. Personally I think it is both
I cant afford insurance I dont care I just go to the hospital emerg they take care of me and I never pay them. that is easer!! if I get terminal I foud out you just go to welfare
Thank you David for pointing out how stupid most of the people on here are, esp. Michael and 4gsltw, two of the most mindless.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)” - Some dude named Jesus Christ. Jesus would vote YES for Obama Care
Work on the fraud that already exists not make future areas for more fraud. This is just another way for gov. to get into our lives. Obama did not mention the 53 new gov. entiies this would create or the new addition to our spending it would cost. It will all come out of our pockets. He needs to do something about all the pork. That includes all the pork in the stimulas package that he signed after telling the American people he would not sign any thing that had pork in it. Lies, all lies. He also need to do something about the fraud going on right within the congress and the house. Impeach those who are involved in crimial activities. They are NOT above the law. Will someone remind our elected official of this! They break the very laws they have set in place and them break them as though they were not meant for them just us little people. They all need booted out of office and some new blood put in. That is for all parties. TERM LIMITS are needed. Our country needs to be taken back by the people (citizens of this fine country).
Jane:
You are so wrong! I know many people who voted for Obama who are now furious with him. They wanted health care for the uninsured, but they do not want to lose their own coverage. I know Obama says they won't; however, many have actually read the bill and have discovered they will eventually lose their own private coverage.
Also, Obama said he was going to unite us. My friends are furious that he is pushing a one-sided health plan without input from the other side. Obama has divided the nation more than it has ever been by pushing such a far-left plan. The moderates voted for him thinking that he would mediate in the middle. They now see differently. They will never vote for him again.
The middle voted the Republicans out for the same reason! They were angry with them. They are going to do the same with the Democrats. Then it will swing back to the right.
You Democrats always overreach when you win. The majority of the country considers themselves conservative. When the Democrats move far to the left (and they always do), they pay for it in the polls!
And, by the way, if Fox News and its polls are a fake representing robot Republicans all in lock-step, how did your post appear on this site.
What kind of Demobot are you?
Hoping to move you a little to the middle,
Rick
Bettyann, after eight years of bush fifth grade grammar skills, you have the temerity to criticize obama and clinton? What pipe are you smoking from?? You have some nerve. Every time bush opened his mouth he made elementary students cringe....and this was a man born into wealth. You would think he would have at least learned to speak. Obama truly epitomize what America is all about. No silver spoon in the mouth....just discipline, hard work and committing to education. Bush, nor you can shine obama's or Bill Clinton's shoes. I dare you to let Bush give your kids grammar lessons. Get over you hate and give the man the credit he deserves! We should be applauding the achievements of this man. He is the perfect example of where hard work and effort can get you in this country. Yet you and other's can't see that. You applaud a bumbling non speaking Bush. What hard work did he ever do. What obstacles did he have to overcome, other than his drug use? Give me a break!
OZZIE, your knowledge of World events is showing, STOP Watching CNN.
Yes, The republicans and dems have spent trillions in fighting wars in middle east. This is so you can have refridgerated food, airconditioning for your house, gas for your toyota; "I doubt it that you buy american made." Electricity for your free helthcare, ect. As for the People in Asia hateing us, they are taught from birth to hate us, from their goverment ran programs. I know from first hand. I lived in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Germany, and have visited many other countries (when growing up and, yes while serving my country in the armed forces.) Its The DEMS that wont let us drill for oil in Alaska or Santa Barbra. Its the Dems That wont allow Nucular Power { did you know that France gets 75% from Nucular power ,look it up.} The European People pay 40% TAXES for any thing they earn over 40,000 U.S. dollors. I know, I have European freinds . Or you can look it up! Social Government, the people who work, pay for the couch potato's, isn't grand !!! Oh Lets not forget, when has the goverment ever ran anything that didn't go over budget!!!~
You know I LIKE TO MAKE MONEY! but I dont like for some do gooder to come along and then take it away to fund some lazy a** that just wants to lay around on my dime and refuse to work hard and rise above all the crap you go thru in life.....and it doesnt matter whether you are black, white, yellow, purple or green trash.....you have to do it not someone elected.....start with staying in school.....dress right, talk right, do what you must do to be sucessful
This President can very well be the cause of America's downfall.
He and almost his entire organization are corrupted from the Top on down.
His main supporter, ACORN is an INSIDIOUS, HATEFUL, ORGANIZED CRIME RIDDEN SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST organization.
this organization-ACORN- MUST-MUST-MUST be stopped dead in their tracks before they bring about the ruination of this great country.
As far as his health reform bill goes, all one has to do is read or talk to some of the most well known physicians who have read it and they will see how UTTERLY TERRIBLE it i!!!!!
AMERICA!!!!!!!! WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
Speaking of Presidents lying.....I still remember the biggest lie ever told. Weapons of mass destruction! Who was it that told that lie? How many lives have been lost because of that lie. How many billions of dollars (that we sure could use) have been spent because of that lie???? The only truth our former pres ever said concerning going into that war was "after all, the man did try and kill my daddy" Had he left it at that, I'd respect him. THL or whatever your tag name is, not only is bush one of the worse pres we've ever had, he's the dumbest! He's the idiot that said he looked into Russian pres putin eyes and saw his soul. Yet when he looked into our eyes, he didn't think about the souls he would send to their demise because of his lie? You really want to compare him to Obama or Clinton? He toyed with us. Just ask former Homeland security chief Tom Ridge. How many times did the pres and his evil vp change the colors of security alert to affect elections? Bush is the ultimate liar and chief! Perhaps if you stop drinking fat rush limbaugh Kool-Aid or taking his drugs(I'm sure he has good ones) you would be better off. Leave rush and his hood wearing, fat hateful self alone. Or perhaps you're so far gone that you actually believe what the pastor in az is saying about pres obama?
Hey Allen Pollick, there's a pastor in Az that could use your help. I'm certain you appreciate his sentiments. You sound like his kind of guy. Go get em killer....oops i mean tiger.
Gordon, i was thinkin what i could say to engage you in some kind of intelligent convo. Then i realized it's a waste of time. You say this isn't america anymore. What you really mean is that this isn't the america you're comfortable in anymore. The kind of america you'd be comfortable in is the one where you can feel free wearing sheets and a hood over your filthy head. The kind of america where you burn crosses on people lawns. The kind of america that you and rush limbaugh long for. You wish you were in the land of cotton, where good times are not forgotten. To make you feel more comfortable, for the holidays, i'll buy you a new hood. How close should i have the holes for your eyes cut out? Can I assume you already have sheets? How many thread counts do you want for your sheets? We definitely want to make you feel more comfortable in your version of america.
Nathan my boy! Finally someone's saying their true feelings. You want Obama to die, just like most people on this right wing blog. You're the one that had da B A L L S to say it. However disgusting your sentiments are, they are yours and you were truthful about it. The rest of the right winger pretend that it's about policy when you and i know the real deal....dont we nathan? I'll be sure to order you a hood for your head for the holidays, just like the one im ordering for gordon. It's not to late for you to go join that pastor in az who wants obama to die and go to hell. I'm sure he's looking for a good christian soldier like yourself. Hail to your master Rush Limbaugh
jackson jefferson, wow! you sound like your trying to compensate for something very small my friend. thats the only thing i can think of when i read your stupid rants. check out the commercial for extenz. you'll be a lot happier. other than that you know nothing about what your attempting to explain. get a consultation quick, so you can grow a bit and make ur significant other happy for the first time. jerk!
As an independent voter I voted for Obama. I will never make that mistake again. Obama would have convinced me if he would have held a copy of his plan up in the air and said, "on page blank, section blank it says right here, no illegals get coverage." Or any other of his points. He didn't. He is a seasoned lecturer, he knows how handouts and guides help to keep people on the message when educating students. It is no different with the American people. Many can make incendiary comments that are not helping with finding out the facts. The real issue is where is the President's plan. Where is it? There is a House bill and a Senate bill. The President dances between both hoping the details get lost in a glossy debate. The President says you will not lose your private insurance if you want to keep it. That is just not true in the Senate bill. You will lose it if you modify your plan in any way. So, what "Bill" do you speak of Mr. President? You are dancing between both to avoid the conflict of taking a stand on something. You have lost me forever. You seem to be more worried about your next four years, careful to not say or do anything to hurt the next election campaign. Grow a pair and stand up and specifically tell us what you want to do. I've been patient until now, but I can't sit idly by when someone is going to take something away from me that I worked hard for and earned at my firm.
You people are so out of touch with reality. I can not believe what I am reading, from beginning to end. Just like always, the upper class tell the middle and lower class what they want them to believe and like dummies they all fall for it. Have you actually taken out the time to read the information from the source for yourself? Have you actually taken the time to call your representatives and ask questions for yourself? Or do you take someone elses word for it? Many of you on here are really showing your ingorance. I bet half of you on here are not even old enough to understand the complexities that makes this reform so hard to accomplish. Do you even know what poeple have to deal with in households outside of your neighborhood. Granted there are valid concerns. Find out the real answers from the source. I'm not going to lie. It is interesting watching the reaction of people when they ffel the threat of losing something they feel they have worked so hard for. YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST!!!! That is life! It happens and it has been happening. Eveything is not going to go your way. Each president comes along and changes things and some people suffer. Now that is the upperclass feels like they are going to suffer a loss they are feeding this BS and people are eating it up. Keep in mind it has taken many years for things to get screwed up and it is going to take many more to fix the problems. Get your personal life together. You can't blame just one or two people. Just like someone said before the president doesn't come up with this stuff on his own. Just because you don't agree with someone you want them to die? You sound just like the stereotypical Black or Latino. Wow is that what the world has come to? Look at your so called terrorists, don't they kill and blow up people and places becasue of their dislike for what they believe. So what does that make you? Dems want to spend much money to fix many problems and Repubs want to leave things a lone and have people fix their own problems. Both of these philosphies are flawd! Spending money and trying to help everybody has created this tremendous debt. Leaving the government out of certain things and letting people do what the want has screwed up the healthcare, housing and banking industry. Get off the blog with these same ignorant claims and find out the what is really going on....LIFE.
Jane is as stupid as the rest of the liberals. Fox News merely put this poll on the website and ANYONE can vote on it. She just doesn't like the results. Another thing: By being 15 minutes late for his speech, he showed his arrogance toward
the American people and that he really doesn't care about anyone except himself.
Unfortunately Obama's healthcare plan will be legislated, because God's purpose and plan must be fulfilled. Judgement has to come on the Anti-Christ and his followers. In order to impliment Socialism/New World Order the US economy must suffer, look at the history of other countries with socialism/Communism, they started with a failing economy and people were put in a position where they felt they had to rely on the government for their needs. Obama knows what he's doing, this is a very smart and sophisticated spirit we're fighting against. Keep blaming Bush until he has total control. Folks weak up don't be decieved by looks and speeches, Trust in God only.
NoBumpkin-
So worried about illegal immigrants being covered by insurance that we (tax payers) pay for? Guess what? They ALREADY ARE. Who pays when a non-citizen goes to the ER and doesn't pay? You, me & our insurance. I'd rather have insurance mandated and available to everyone than continue letting people abuse this broken system. This goes for illegal and legal citizens alike.
Scared or socialism? Fine then when you get cancer, cannot work therefore lose your job- and insurance, cannot afford COBRA I hope you will sell you car, house, and all your own to pay your own way. No hand outs for you! Nope you won't need medicare, cause you take care of yourself. Right?
i come america 2001 and work. i get sick and go to "ER". you wait long time but its free. i tell them i am jose gonzales my brother and give them my brother adress. they send some papers but they never catch me. i can't vote but i hope Obamas plan does not get elected. it be more hard for me to go to "ER" anymore with no health card. so vote NO okay gringos? its better easier for me and my amigos. gracias.
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