I would prefer to purchase Colour Sound Oblivion - The Coil Live Collection as:

Since this has become by now at least an historical document I would prefer Blu-Ray or at least have it on a medium which can accommodate the highest resolution used by the sources, i.e. no compression.

Offering it with software codes or connected to a specific software needed to play it would not be a wise thing to do, so please do not use the itunes codec.
Maybe blu-ray could offer best of both worlds, supply files on a data section and the footage for the bd player.

I ofcourse meant codecs not codes

will you be including the music videos for "the wheel", "tainted love", "windowpane", "the snow", and "love's secret domain"? i also heard that one of the very early - circa 1984 - performances was filmed... it would be wonderful to have them included as well, for the sake of completion at the very least.

I honestly would prefer the ntsc dvd format. Blu-ray or otherwise. I guess that I am stuck in the past (explains my vinyl fetish as well). While I do think the pic of the memory stick looks like an amazing artifact, I personally prefer the dvd format. 10 DVDs to hold and have artwork on, or a little stick which is near impossible to decorate. I'll take those 10 over that one everytime.

Individual files in the highest practical quality downloads available. ie. With no actual object as such to "treasure" ,-) 3% (13 votes)

wow, fans apparantly care more about a physical object than the quality of the art work itself.

I'm guessing that the USB would be cheaper to manufacture, and therefore more likely for me to buy it. So I'm down with that!

How about both? The DVD boxes for those who wish to splash out, and a run of more affordable USBs. Unless of course I've got the economics the wrong way round!

After voting for the usb stick, I am now realizing from the other comments here that DVD may be the best option for reasons already stated. Of course, I don't necessarily wish to spend over 100 USD on any release, Coil or not. It's your call in the end, Peter, so choose the format you feel to be most fitting. Just keep in mind that price is still an issue for many of us (especially in this tight economy).

i just wonder why you don't use the PAL-format. for example, in germany (where i live), all playing devices (dvd, blu-ray hd dvd, vhs) usually play PAL and NTSC. even though you will find NTSC on imported media only. do playing devices in the u.s. really not support PAL?

The problem with releasing it on usb is that
A. most people will not be able to play it through a t.v.
B. even if it is a better resolution or more minimal etc... the fact is that with technology changing all the time and the even more annoying matter of there being no industry standard way to watch video, dvd's are still the most popular until blu-ray takes over.

People can play these on their computer and on dvd player but a usb release would mean only one option, computer.

I agree 100% with the comment left by "bluerats". My TV does not have a usb connector, and I don't know anyone personally that does. So most people will not be able to play it on their TV's.
And the DVD format still is the most popular right now, so it only makes sense to continue with the original plan that Peter had 2 years ago (10 or more NTSC DVD's in a nice box set).
Plus, it's obvious that the polls speak loud & clear for the DVD option anyway. (more than twice as much as the usb option).
BTW~ Yes, For those of us who live in the US, we can not play PAL on our DVD players, unfortunately. NTSC only.
Every once in a blue-moon, you will come across a NTSC DVD player that will play both NTSC and PAL, but that is usually a rare fluke and it is NOT consistant with every PAL DVD either.
My DVD player is only 8 months old and it does not play any PAL format DVD's, whatsoever. Believe me, I've tried.

I have no problem seeing this released on a 10+ DVD with extravagant packaging which would cost several hundred dollars and a limited edition version for all the physical fetishists out there...

Now for the rest of us who are technologically forward thinking, could we have this on a *cheap* hard/flash drive. You could actually put the highest quality versions as well as low quality iDrone versions on the drive and offer it for a tenth of the price of the DVD set, keep OAR without adding black bars to the side or top of the video (as is necessary in DVD releases) and please both crowds.

Of course the digital hard/flash drive version would be much easier and cheaper for you to manufacture, so even though it is not the most popular option why not allow it to be an alternative for those of us who don't feel a need to worship at the altar of cardboard and trinket packaging?

Have a collectable set that would include those who can afford it, and if it can be done. Disks or a drive would be great, less shipping for sure for US in the of A.
But more important make them available in some D/L format which those who are not able to fit in a fixed budget.

I am a collector so any type of object- artsy packaging or basic ~ limited or not ~ DVD...NTSC~PAL...USB......I would buy as collecting is my fetish.,

with that said and done, the bottom line here is to be able to view the concert footage./ I say NTSC DVD package, as that is the only format I know of (as of today) that I can play on my present equpmenmt here in the States...I know the PAL format is better than NTSC and I know that PAL/NTSC combination type DVD palyers exist, but I do not know for certain that a PAL disc will play in these types of players in the States & also I am not sure if the TV factors in (as Sleaze had mentioned RE: the Salo DVD). 60Hz versus 50Hz~ they are different electrical configurations!

I would much rather watch footage on my 2003 TV in my 1986 recliner than at my wooden desk on my bottom line computer! However, if it only is made on USB I would either see about getting a TV that could play USB (if I could afford it) or try and play it on my computer. I know that a NTSC DVD I will be able to watch- no problem.

However Peter manufactures this set, I will purchase and hope that either a) I can play it b) I can get what i need to play it or c) someone will be nice enough to make me a copy that I CAN watch...but unreagardless I would still buy the official product- even if I couldn't play it! I have a few PAL videos I have never seen, plus the Salo PAL DVD and a few DAT tapes to boot! ...perhaps one day.

I think it would be a shame to not have a nice boxset, or some form of tactile packaging. I dread the day when no artist makes any physical package and only offers downloads, because for me the whole package is artwork in itself.

I think Blu-Ray would be the way to go. That would be my 1st choice. My 2nd choice would be DVD. Anyone consumer that is technically savvy will know how to rip and convert their Blu-Ray's, or DVD's to make their own digital copies that can be played on other formats (i.e., stream directly to TV from PC, USB drives, upload to their favorite media player, etc.)

Sure, it's an extra step for the consumer, if digital copies are your thing, but at least you will also have the sucurity of a backup of the source material with a physical Blu-Ray, or DVD media.

And for anyone living in the USA and wondering about the PAL/NTSC situation, there are many DVD players on the market that are manufactured in Europe and sent over here to the United States. These DVD players already have multi-region PAL and NTSC converters built-in, but they are not marketed as such to the consumer. You can usually unlock these DVD players (also referred to as "hacking" a DVD player) simply via the remote control that ships with the unit. Most of these types of DVD players require a simple set of keystrokes from the remote control that will turn the DVD player into Region Free DVD player and will convert PAL to NTSC (and vice versa) automatically. You can then purchase any type of DVD manufactured by any country and view it.

The nice thing is that most of these DVD players are under $70 USD. I have two of them and watch all sorts of DVDs from Thailand, the UK, Europe, etc. Especially, items in my CD collection like DVD singles from the UK/Europe. The one brand that I would recommend if anyone is interested is PHILLIPS. You can easily do a Google search for hacking codes for PHILLIPS dvd players and search for a model number. Then fo find that model online from places like Amazon and order it, or do what I did: Just walk into Target and purchase on for $50 dollars. My model is a PHILLIPS DVP-5140. It will also play DivX, MP3, AVI, MPEG and a whole variety of formats as well.

Anyway, getting a bit off subject there, but since I have (and anyone else in the USA can have one for cheap) a Region Free DVD player then PAL DVDs, or NTSC makes no difference to me, but I would love to have the format in Blu-Ray if possible.

I ,personally, am an old style collector of vinyls,tapes and vhs. i keep the dvd's ,obviously, and i don't want to come back to Middle Ages but why isn't contemplated the possibility of a nice PAL dvd boxset for european fans too,wihout so many problems? one may pre-order at least his copy on PAl and overseas customers their NTSC copy, so there could be made clearer an idea of peolple really interested in buying (and paying first) their limited boxsets and there wouldn't be any difficulties in coming toward every range of fans.
pal copies please! wouldn't you discriminate european fans,won't you?

I answered "Other" based purely on the ideal scenario involving some cost-effective manner of simultaneously presenting the first two options. But really...

The USB is probably both the most aesthetically pleasing AND effective option, albeit not quite as "easy" as files or entirely as physically satisfying as a box of DVDs. Nonetheless, the quality is probably exceptional, the files are sure not to get lost, and the package, while not "impressive", is quite beautiful in its own way.

ideally we would be getting h.264 video which blows the DVD-mpeg video out of the water in terms of size and quality, no interlaced video, lossless audio or at least high quality audio which would blow the DVD-ac3 audio out of the water.

ideally:
video: h.264 (progressive and cropped to proper aspect ratio)
audio: lossless (such as flac)
container: mkv

of course all the iProducts won't be able to play mkv because apple has its own agenda... sigh.

So what the choices really come down to are:
-highly collectable, low quality (low quality = DVDs)
-low quality (standard definition) video optimized for iProducts
-high quality audio/video in the best formats/container for the computer

wow, choices are great. too bad all the popular products these days (standalone dvd players/iProducts) don't support GOOD formats.

Personally, I feel it only makes sense to go with the original plan of the NTSC DVD's. I myself, am a collector, and the DVD's themselves as well as the nice box that they come in are JUST as meaningful and important to me, as the music/video's themselves. It just goes hand in hand.

DVD's are STILL the most popular medium. And I would MUCH rather have a box set of DVD's to treasure and add to my Coil collection than a painted USB stick and files that are not tangable.
PLUS...I would LOVE to be able to watch the concert video's on my TV, as intended, rather than my PC. And with a usb stick I will NOT be able to watch on my TV, but with DVD's at least everyone can view on TV and or PC!

a Coil live box set deserves special treatment. the USB package looks amazing, but i'd be upset if that was the only format... NTSC DVDs would be great for me!

but i hope there is still a way to get the whole set of videos at an affordable price in a widely compatible format. i fear the USB stick box and a DVD box each would be rather pricey... this isn't really the best time for that, as we all know.

at least with NTSC DVDs, we will all be able to watch them, indeed. the quality isn't that bad, is it?

bottom line: several practical choices would be most appreciated.

on the other hand, high quality downloadable files would be nice, too... then we can burn them to DVD ourselves. but it would be a shame not to have a nice box! perhaps this could be the cheapest option?

While I would love a nice beautify packaged set of DVDs I am afraid that I may not be able to shell out the coin for it. As it right now I'm getting by ok, but the necessities leave me with very little money to spend freely these days. So perhaps have a nice indulgent physical version for those who want/can afford it, and a cheaper downloadable version for us poorer bastards.

I answered for DVD format and now inisst for PAL. I've the excellent limited boxset of TG'S dvd and that could be an example for Coil's set: exclusive book and artwork for packaging.
The usd can't replace an art object!
I've vinyl, cd, vhs, dvd signed by P.and J. , I also have amulet edition of THBC and those material will never take the place of an usb. The usb maybe can be sold with the dvd set (as an extra edition) and the cost isn't a problem: art is priceless.
Finally, Peter: could you include all the videos made for Coil and your commercial advertisement?

just like to say: thanks for all....
it does not matter in wich kind of technique you realase that...
i am just happy to know you doing well...
everything what grow in the nature has to come down one day...
god bless you, the friends and fans...

greetings and big hugh from nuernberg germany
from an old fan of PTV, Throubing Gristle and Coil..
Gary

blu-ray hd please!

PLEASE include the music videos. Perhaps as a special 16th disc edition at a premium, or as a single disc outside of the package but PLEASE make them available.

Blue Ray would be most practical for not only quality but storage of all the lives shows etc...

; )

USB is the way to go - so long as the format is compatible for all computers and does not require a special video player to watch. (.AVI format would be perfect). If people want to make a DVD just use a video editor, downgrade the resolution and burn a copy. That way people can make a DVD to fit their region of choice, be it NTSC, PAL or SECAM etc...

For people who want an artifact, that picture looks pretty cool, and I would buy one of those for some big coin$$$. If people can't afford the fancy box, then have a regular USB stick with no frills for sale.

I'm looking forward to what ever comes out. I am crossing my fingers that despite the overwhelming choice of NTSC DVD in this pole, the USB will win the day as it is more compatible around the world, people can edit the video to the format they prefer, and even my 6 year old laptop has an S-video port that I can hook up to my TV and watch on the big screen if I want to.

Regarding the video clips: as far as I know Peter had always intended to include them. Don't worry about it...Sleazy has it under control!

Blu-Ray would be best, high definition all the way! You could include"digital copy" computer files on a separate disc that comes with the set or include a USB stick with it, and sell those separately as well. I understand the people who just want the files, it is much less expensive and the quality is fine for some, but I disagree with the comment that "Individual files in the highest practical quality downloads available. ie. With no actual object as such to "treasure" ,-) 3% (13 votes) wow, fans apparently care more about a physical object than the quality of the art work itself."

I care about the artwork itself, but a) packaging is part of the art, isn't it? Uncle Sleazy did start his career as a graphic artist after all; and b) I want the highest quality, and quicktime files on a USB stick is not the best. I know some people don't care about quality as much anymore and money is an issue for most of us nowadays (myself included), but still, for something like this, an archive of important work, do you really just want it as Quicktime files? I say put out a great box on Blu-Ray (or DVD if you must) AND release the files for either download and/or on a USB stick.

Anyway, in this day and age downloads should be an automatic thing and the remaining choice is just which physical object would you do in addition to them...

Yeah, I agree Blu-Ray would be best, what's the status sleazy on the video editing? and what can we expect for what live shows will be included?

Well, the art is not just the video but also the packaging - okay, we don't buy CDs or DVDs because we like to cover - but if we like it it surely makes a much nicer item.

So probably DVD is the best solution...
...and Blue-Ray? Who wants to buy a Blue-Ray player when the next disc formats are about to be released in near future?

WHEN WILL WE SEE THE RE RELEASE OF BACK CATALOG?
NOBODY SEEMS TO MISS THEM ?
IT'S YEARS SINCE PROMISED TIME MACHINES AND MOON'S MILK BUT WHAT HAPPENED?
THANKS

I voted for the DVDs, although I have no preference for NTSC or PAL, since my DVD player can play both. I will note that if this was released on Blu-Ray, I would probably purchase a player specifically to watch it.

USB all the way. And I personally want a "booklet". I realize this may be
unpracticle...but I've owned alot of music collection and do like something to
look at. I'd even be entertained by an essay on the history of these performances, and no one would have to answer the "history record" over and over.

I voted for the DVD option but Blu Ray would be awesome too, do you have any plans to release the musick videos as well ?

This video on youtube for the new backwards is great by the way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZK7MjvVVs0

Music is my all time favourite endeavour and of all the music I have listened to: Coil, The Threshold House Boys' Choir, Soisong, Sickness of Snakes, Zoskia, ELpH, and Throbbing Gristle rank amongst my all time favourites. I have purchased everything by the aforementioned bands that I have been able to get my hands on (there are few exceptions that are simply too rare and pricey, although almost all were initially released by the bands at very reasonable prices). The opportunity of watching Coil on DVD is awesome and a prospect that I have been looking forwards to for a long time now. I already saw TG on VHS back in the early 1980s and have loved that since; then I was able to buy the TG DVD Box Set and that became my favourite DVD of all time. I thought nothing could surpass that until I bought Coil's 'ANS' and The Threshold House Boys' Choir: 'Form Grows Rampant' CD/ DVD. I can only think of one audio-visual extravaganza that could surpass/ equal The Threshold House Boys' Choir DVD and that is the Coil DVD Box Set.

I do not own a Blu-Ray player and cannot afford one. My computer is a little less effective than a typewriter and I cannot afford to upgrade it; certainly, it is not capable of playing DVDs/ movie files. I would, however, save every penny that I can to buy the Coil DVD Box Set. It would be a real shame if people like me who have loved Coil since pre-conception could not get to see and hear such an innovative, substantial, significant, and, frankly, memorial body of work. The quality of Coil et al's products far out-rank any others and are worth every penny (and more).

Perhaps it would be possible to release a limited edition of the DVD set as a unique USB package as I can see the attraction of that innovative idea but whilst also making the audio-visual experience available to folk like me who live on an ordinary budget and utterly adore everything by Coil, - and who, for financial and practicability reasons, would prefer a DVD Box Set?

At risk of over-filling my greedbag: I do not use You Tube and I do not have any videos by Coil other than the remarkable innovation that is 'ANS'. I would love, love, love to see videos such as 'Ostia' and 'Windowpane', et cetera that have surfaced on often obscure limited edition VHS video compilations and more recently on DVD. Whilst many of these are freely available on the Internet, I have never seen any of them so including them on a DVD Box Set would absolutely put the icing on the cake for me as far as a DVD Box Set is concerned.

Finally: just to say a very deeply heartfelt Thank You to Peter, John, and companions for, in my opinion, the highest quality and most innovative contributions ever made to music, art, and culture.

With Mountains of Love and Rivers of Peace,
Faithfully,
colin

Honestly, I'd be most inclined to buy the USB first, files 2nd, and the DVD probably not at all. I'm trying to get rid of my physical media, as it's just not that practical any longer. If it were a DVD only release, I probably wouldn't buy it, and would (don't shoot me) download it when it inevitably showed up online free somewhere. I just could no longer justify the cost required to buy the set, plus shipping, for what it would inevitably go for. The USB would be cheaper all around, I'd buy it to support an artist I love, and I'd have no trouble watching it on my TV. Honestly, it cost about $20USD for an adapter to connect the laptop to the TV, and there are plenty of DVD players out there with USB connections. It's not that hard to make a DVD disc to play in a standalone DVD player.

These could be made in such a mass volume, or with different incentives to appeal to different levels of collector, that I think it would be silly to deal with a dinosaur technology like DVD. If the USB sells well, then maybe a Blu-Ray run would seem realistic later on.

I would much prefer a DVD release. The size of files for download would doubtless be monstrous not to mention the possibility of then losing the files to a hard drive crash (which just happened to me) or something of the sort, and even without the issue of connecting a USB drive to a TV, I would simply rather have it in DVD format.

If you look at the Blu-Ray sales of 'Salo' at www.thresholdhouse.com versus the standard DVD sales of 'Salo' at Threshold House, it is evident that the standard DVD sold out long before the Blu-Ray and, in fact, there are still limited copies of the Blu-Ray left for sale; maybe there were more Blu-Ray than standard DVD copies for sale in the first instance but , frankly, I sincereley doubt that. I would buy 'Salo' solely for Peter's video of 'Ostia' (as I am not interested in the film) but I cannot afford to have to purchase a Blu-Ray player specifically for that purpose and I missed out on the standard DVD edition. If you look at Blu-Ray sales at Amazon versus standard DVD sales at Amazon; standard DVD far, far, far out sell Blu-Ray (even on retail platforms where people do have Internet and Computer technology and are more likely to have the latest (ie Blu-Ray) technology; I only have Internet and Computer technology of a suitable standard at work and I cannot and would not want to watch videos at work! I do not have and do not want Blu-Ray). I do not intend to imply that Blu-Ray is not superior, I am saying that standard DVD is more popular. Similarly, although I have bought every Coil re-issue on CD that I can; I prefer the sound quality and the physicality of the original vinyl editions that were made for vinyl. The CDs that were made for CD sound superb on CD but the CDs that were made for vinyl loose a warmth and gain a cleanliness that is not befitting. The videos in question were recorded when DVD was the video media so I feel that DVD can do justice to those recordings and, perhaps, there could be a limited edition superior media (as well) or superior media could be reserved for ongoing projects that are not historic. I would never sell any of my Coil items; I intend to leave them either to any children I may have/ adopt or to the Centre for Contemporary Arts but the CDs largely go unlistened to and untouched or, worse still, they get a quick violated play when I am busy doing something else and whack a quick bit of Coil on out of convenience and as background music (Sorry! This only damages my own appreciation of the music!). The vinyl editions are always treated with the utmost care and respect and I treasure every listening. I would treat a Coil DVD Box Set with the utmost care and respect and treasure every viewing; I would possibly buy but never watch video files on a USB memory stick; I may be tempted to buy a Blu-Ray Box Set but I'd probably simply miss out altogether or spend years trying to hunt down a copy once and if ever I had been able to afford the technology to facilitate viewing.

All expressed opinions are evidently personal and subjective.

Love from col